slowly radicalizing me and I don't like it

:sicko-blur:

Can't wait for all my leftist friends that I managed to convince electoralism works rubberband back into tankies bc moderates are massive bitches

:sicko-beaming:

this is literally half my friend group rn and I'm running out of counters

:sicko-crowd:

  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
    ·
    3 years ago

    We should do way more brigading. Why talk to people who agree with you on a small platform when you can maybe nudge people who don't yet agree with you on a big platform?

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      3 years ago

      Have you actually tried talking to these people? It's like debating a brick wall.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
        ·
        3 years ago

        On the internet, you're not talking to the person responding to you so much as you're talking to the people reading along. There's usually something like a 10:1 ratio of reading to posting, too.

        Even in person, people rarely change their mind and acknowledge they were wrong mid-conversation. What movement does happen often happens when people are thinking things over later, or when they later see something that hammers the point home.

            • EthicalHumanMeat [he/him]
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              3 years ago

              I do that myself, sometimes. I'll reject something in the moment but then later find myself believing it almost without realizing it.

              That being said, I still think you're better off pretty much anywhere other than r/neoliberal. Firmly hostile territory with, uh, unfavorable demographics.

              • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                3 years ago

                Spending time there regularly is a waste, yeah. It's famously astroturfed to hell. But in those rare instances where some cracks appear, it probably makes sense to have a presence. Give people who are grappling with reality for once new ideas to think about.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      3 years ago

      honestly nudging requires engaging in good faith and hiding your power level. it's the exact opposite of dunking and i don't think this site's userbase is capable of it.

      • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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        3 years ago

        I think a bit of both is useful. Think of how you talk to friends -- the people you like and generally at least respect enough to consider what they say. Sometimes they'll engage in good faith, but sometimes they'll give you some shit if you get a bit far out on a limb. Both can make you rethink things.

        But yeah, we don't have a lot of capacity for that. Something to work on.