for the record, 10k per pound is absurd. you can buy it in chinese restaurants for like 20 bucks for a meal. thats because china's version of the FDA approved it before the USA. so the main point of the pfizer exec's complaint: reducing meat cost from 10k to something manageable, is already being done
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and for the record, im not a vegan. my bf is a bodybuilder at ~280 pounds of mostly muscle. he'd need to eat 15 cups of edamame each day. with black beans, same thing, itd be 20 cups. however, the amount of potassium (~700mg) would quickly become too much for daily value consumption and can cause blood pressure issues with hyperkalemia over a long period. you need to have at least two protein sources from plants, as they are not complete proteins (with the exception quinoa, which is 35 cups of eating the same thing). you also need some vegetable oil or some other fat to mix it in so you dont get protein poisoning. my bf is a bit of an extreme example, but if you wanna bash the fash sometimes you gotta crack some eggs. and i simply think that with the amount of manual labor jobs, its absurd to ask them to eat all these cups of vegetables. but it is very sensible to maybe have 3-4 cups of protein heavy veggies in addition to other food types.
if you wanna bash the fash sometimes you gotta crack some eggs
Actually you don't. A well-planned, fully vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. And seitan has three times more protein than beef - the only amino acid it lacks is lysine, and tofu or beans have that. There's no need to "eat all these cups of vegetables" if you're vegan, even if you want to build muscle.
bf is busy rn so ill ask him his opinion of that. cursory glance, it looks super expensive. he usually has a shake filled with a workout powder to cover his needs so he doesnt need to blow a ton of money on his bodybuilding. vegan workout powder is super expensive, usually 3x more. if there is a vegan workout powder cheaper than the non-vegan mainline stuff on amazon hmu we want that shit
we decided to try seitan a bit, though it is expensive. its a nice alternative to tofu, which is very high in fat. doubt itll be a common thing we do because of the cost (4x more per gram of protein than chicken) but we try to find new things for him to eat post workout all the time
And so you did, thanks a lot. The "rubbery texture" bit you can easily adjust by adding more or less actual flour with the wheat gluten - from "slightly rubbery" to "feels like a steak that has cooked too much", with all the declinations in between (also, mix your flour/gluten with spices and vegetable broth from the get-go, it helps). Again, an even cheaper way (takes more time though; cheaper in terms of initial resources) is to start with your basic white wheat flour.
for the record, 10k per pound is absurd. you can buy it in chinese restaurants for like 20 bucks for a meal. thats because china's version of the FDA approved it before the USA. so the main point of the pfizer exec's complaint: reducing meat cost from 10k to something manageable, is already being done
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and for the record, im not a vegan. my bf is a bodybuilder at ~280 pounds of mostly muscle. he'd need to eat 15 cups of edamame each day. with black beans, same thing, itd be 20 cups. however, the amount of potassium (~700mg) would quickly become too much for daily value consumption and can cause blood pressure issues with hyperkalemia over a long period. you need to have at least two protein sources from plants, as they are not complete proteins (with the exception quinoa, which is 35 cups of eating the same thing). you also need some vegetable oil or some other fat to mix it in so you dont get protein poisoning. my bf is a bit of an extreme example, but if you wanna bash the fash sometimes you gotta crack some eggs. and i simply think that with the amount of manual labor jobs, its absurd to ask them to eat all these cups of vegetables. but it is very sensible to maybe have 3-4 cups of protein heavy veggies in addition to other food types.
Actually you don't. A well-planned, fully vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life. And seitan has three times more protein than beef - the only amino acid it lacks is lysine, and tofu or beans have that. There's no need to "eat all these cups of vegetables" if you're vegan, even if you want to build muscle.
bf is busy rn so ill ask him his opinion of that. cursory glance, it looks super expensive. he usually has a shake filled with a workout powder to cover his needs so he doesnt need to blow a ton of money on his bodybuilding. vegan workout powder is super expensive, usually 3x more. if there is a vegan workout powder cheaper than the non-vegan mainline stuff on amazon hmu we want that shit
Costco's plant-based protein is a good price, I think it's called Orgain
3x the cost of other protein powders. currently pay 40 bucks for 5 pounds (75 servingsish). also its disproportionately full of carbs.
we decided to try seitan a bit, though it is expensive. its a nice alternative to tofu, which is very high in fat. doubt itll be a common thing we do because of the cost (4x more per gram of protein than chicken) but we try to find new things for him to eat post workout all the time
I assume you bought seitan as-is ? if so, buy the powdered gluten instead and make your own - a lot cheaper. And if you really want to go even cheaper, all you actually need is white flour to make your own - though the process is a bit more involved.
if we end up making it ill post in this comm with results / thoughts
And so you did, thanks a lot. The "rubbery texture" bit you can easily adjust by adding more or less actual flour with the wheat gluten - from "slightly rubbery" to "feels like a steak that has cooked too much", with all the declinations in between (also, mix your flour/gluten with spices and vegetable broth from the get-go, it helps). Again, an even cheaper way (takes more time though; cheaper in terms of initial resources) is to start with your basic white wheat flour.