hi, I've been pretty happy with macOS recently on my m1 MacBook, really only because I've been paying for software from awesome devs who make great apps (plenty are open source, so most I use are not paid) and I've found my productivity increase like a lot.
It's like I'm fighting less with the computer and the OS, and sorta working together with it. Since it's a mac though it's still a pain. When I install things with brew or software straight from the dev I need to do this dance to be able to use it (since it's from an 'unidentified' developer).
I wanted to try out Asahi, I saw that there was a new version released recently, any folks here who daily drive it and could share their experience? This is currently my main machine so I'm a bit hesitant in swapping over (I guess I could dual boot?) and school is out atm so I have a bit of time to troubleshoot and feel comfortable in a new environment.
thanks in advance~
EDIT: I am mostly familiar with Debian/ubuntu, I run stuff headless and SSH into it, like at the moment I have a proxmox 8 server and some raspberry pi's that I use to host stuff. I have a windows 11 pc which I use for playing some games and to run certain kinds of software.
The Linux Experiment covered Asahi (I believe it was Debian) and he said he'll review the Fedora's version too. It was a month or two ago and there were some things still in the works. But as a Fedora user and it being Asahi's flagship which has been fine tuned according to them, I'd bet Nick will post a video soon. If you're an early adopter, I'd say give Fedora a go now, otherwise just wait for Nick to cover it in his usual detail on his channel. Nick's the man and will cover it very well. This will probably be the best conformation unless an early adopteradopter or Dev can chime in here.
True, yeah I think I saw that mentioned somewhere, thanks for the heads up!
If you find that macOS and the software for it lead to good productivity, I'd advise against ditching it solely for having to allow unsigned applications to run. It's a few clicks once per app.
I didn't use Asahi myself. I'd imagine it works for quite a few people, but I personally wouldn't use it as a daily driver, because the community support is much smaller compared to popular distributions. I'd get a non-Apple computer for using Linux. You could just try it out though, obviously.
I was gonna say the same. It’s going for the nuclear option for a relatively small problem (unsigned apps warning). Why run something that emulates an OS when you already have the legit one that’s proven to work well with your productivity. Also, the best OS that runs on mac hardware is macOS. It’s definitely worth trying on a non-apple computer for sure.
that's fair, i'll definitely have to see what the changes to my workflow are
I don't currently use it as a daily driver, but I tried. The basic, core experience is fine. Depending on what you need, it could be great. In the end I went back to using macOS (though I did ask myself what was working so well for me with GNOME that I wanted to try the experiment to begin with, and that has resulted in a leaner, simpler macOS setup).
The stoppers for me were webcam support (it kind of worked, but with bad image quality issues), and a number of Flatpaks quietly failing at launch. Non-stoppers but papercuts included that you can find ARM packages for some things but they're direct downloads instead of dnf sources you can set up (e.g. 1Password, Sublime Text), and there are a few weird glitches with some fonts that work fine on x86 setups.
It's trivial to set up dual-boot, and pretty easy to back out if it doesn't work for you, provided you read a few paragraphs of documentation. I've done it twice on two different machines.
hmm, yeah dual boot sounds like a good idea, thanks for sharing your experience!
I did dual boot and I can recommend trying it if u have the space. The way the boot menu on mac works, you won’t notice anything if you continue using macOS. Most of the hardware does work but there are some minor issues. By default I think it uses KDE which is fine but compared to windows or MacOS window manager it sometimes does funny stuff. At least on my system
The guided installer will resize your disk volume and set it up for dual boot by default. It's Fedora based and uses KDE Plasma which is a great user experience IMO. Admittedly, I only booted into it to briefly kick the tires but the install was a pretty smooth process. This page details what features are still missing so I'd suggest looking there first to ensure you're not missing anything critical. For me, missing USB-C monitor support is a deal breaker.
hmm.. HMM, could i ask do you prefer USB-C because of power delivery?
when I use a windows laptop, I don't really take over my Mac habits (e.g. CMD-OPT-ESC, or using 4 finger pinch or 3 finger swipe up or down), however when using a MacBook even when remoting in to a windows computer I automatically use what I am used to on my MacBook.
do you find that you have some frustration with the user experience and interfacing with asahi linux on your MacBook? i.e. you use the gestures lets say that you would use and they don't work, or rather, you could make it work but it's too much trouble.
if it's a painless kind of switch over, then I think I would be willing to learn or relearn or customize the desktop environment to my liking even if it took a bit of time. however if it's bug-laden and 'appears' to be too much like macOS on the onset, it would probably be more trouble than it's worth at the moment to use as a daily driver (dual booting in this case would make it even more confusing to demarcate for me).
so yeah that's a lot to ask you for what your thoughts & experiences were...
Oh, I should have mentioned I never used macOS. The laptop went straight to Linux, so I can't comment on the habbits.
Now, Fedora Asahi is stable and perfectly fine as a daily driver as long as you don't need the the microphone and thunderbolt.
Installation is super easy. Just decide between KDE and GNOME.
Edit: you could also install Fedora in a virtual machine to try things out beforehand.
