One of the most wishy-washy, bourgeois philosophy out there. Bitch I know I exist, now how is that going to help us get rid of capitalism.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]M
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    3 years ago

    Similar to how somebody inside the Matrix can never truly "understand" it until they are taken out, I don't think humans are every going to "understand" or "find out" things like "the nature of reality or the universe."

    • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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      3 years ago

      10K years ago when we lived in caves we probably couldn't even conceive of the possibility of there being an "outer space", much less so for flight for that matter. It must have been an unknowable boundary for our ancestors.

      By that same token, it will be possible for humans to "take ourselves out" of the "Matrix", so speak, once we have developed the proper theories and technologies, possibly in the far future. Once there is a tool to measure something, we have a chance of understanding it, and possibly controlling it, through the scientific method.

      • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]M
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        3 years ago

        Yes, but the difference is the things you've listed here are within reality, and are just extensions of what we can already intuit. It's not that hard to imagine there being other planets because we already live on one. We can conceptualize flight because we see birds do it. Humans have been thinking about flying and what lays in the stars for as long as we've existed. It's much more difficult to gain understanding for the very thing we are enmeshed in, using tools that only exist inside that thing. Beware scientism comrade; it's a model like any other, and a Western-centric one at that. Not all things can be proved by the scientific method, nor should we strive to do so.

          • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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            3 years ago

            The steady march of human knowledge towards knowing everything about the universe there is to know can only be started under communism. Science is a wonderful tool when put to use for enhancing human quality of life and ensuring resources for all, but it really does suck under capitalism.

        • SuperNovaCouchGuy [any]
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          3 years ago

          It’s much more difficult to gain understanding for the very thing we are enmeshed in, using tools that only exist inside that thing.

          Large Hadron Collidor go bzzzzzz

          But it is true that the LHC does qualify as a tool which exists in the universe studying matter which makes up the said universe, by smashing pieces of it together and seeing what happens. However, while it is more difficult to understand the true nature of matter using tools made of matter, I am sure it is not impossible. Maybe we will find a way to overcome after we have gained the ability to manipulate the interactions between subatomic particles and solved the mystery of time. Who knows, but I have full faith in our descendants to kill god once and for all by overcoming the fundamental ignorance that we have towards reality which you outlined.

          Not all things can be proved by the scientific method, nor should we strive to do so.

          I partially agree since there is no use in proving shit with the scientific method when people are dying from hunger in a world full of resources. However, maybe in the future we can come up with another better system of thought which will unlock the secrets of our universe.