My history teacher says “geography is destiny” and made us watch guns germs and steel. I think bad empanada said this narrative promotes a lack of remorse for colonization because it’s characterized as inevitable. He didn’t explain why it was wrong though iirc. My teacher (who likes orwell) says it’s just material conditions. It could be argued that geography is created the original conditions that led to class society before class forced largely took over, though this could be taken to the extent of class being secondary. Anyone know about this?

  • Neptium@lemmygrad.ml
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    There is a classic quote I usually refer to when someone asks this question regarding Geographical Determinism.

    It is from Stalin's 1938 Dialectical and Historical Materialism itself:

    There can be no doubt that the concept "conditions of material life of society" includes, first of all, nature which surrounds society, geographical environment, which is one of the indispensable and constant conditions of material life of society and which, of course, influences the development of society. What role does geographical environment play in the development of society? Is geographical environment the chief force determining the physiognomy of society, the character of the social system of man, the transition from one system to another, or isn't it?

    Historical materialism answers this question in the negative.

    Geographical environment is unquestionably one of the constant and indispensable conditions of development of society and, of course, influences the development of society, accelerates or removed its development. But its influence is not the determining influence, inasmuch as the changes and development of society proceed at an incomparably faster rate than the changes and development of geographical environment. in the space of 3000 years three different social systems have been successively superseded in Europe: the primitive communal system, the slave system and the feudal system. In the eastern part of Europe, in the U.S.S.R., even four social systems have been superseded. Yet during this period geographical conditions in Europe have either not changed at all, or have changed so slightly that geography takes no note of them. And that is quite natural. Changes in geographical environment of any importance require millions of years, whereas a few hundred or a couple of thousand years are enough for even very important changes in the system of human society.

    It follows from this that geographical environment cannot be the chief cause, the determining cause of social development; for that which remains almost unchanged in the course of tens of thousands of years cannot be the chief cause of development of that which undergoes fundamental changes in the course of a few hundred years

    In the academic discipline of Geography, this sort of inevitable determinism, has been rejected since about the 1950s for both it's colonial assertions, but also it's patently inaccurate claims. No serious social scientist of any background would take the claims of geographical determinism at face value.

    If you would like to entertain a more serious and dialectical understanding of Geography and it's relation to class society, I would recommend a A Theory of Imperialism (2017) by Patnaik and Patnaik. There has also been numerous other works dealing with Uneven (and Combined) Development within an urban, urban-rural, and of course, international contexts aswell.

    Hell, if anything, Marxism's pre-occupation with the peasant question and primitive accumulation IS already a valuable theoretical and practical contribution to understanding the role of Geography in society. And unlike the vulgar geographical determinism of the Eurocentrists in which colonialism becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, Marxism has always been a few steps ahead of conventional western science in that regard.

    • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      I read that before, but forgot. I think the response would be that geography facilitated the interactions between old world societies leading to them being extra “advanced,” having the technology (guns, germs, steel, horses) to conquer others. Not that it caused every minute change.

      • Tovarish Tomato@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        Just walk into your next class an loudly proclaim "STALIN SAID THAT YOU ARE WRONG!" then refuse to elaborate and leave. You will soon find that your body will slowly transform into that of Arnold Schwarzenegger for you are now a sigma.

    • Water Bowl Slime@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      for that which remains almost unchanged in the course of tens of thousands of years

      If only Stalin knew about global warming 😔