What I mean by that is that Pepe was never intended to be a fascist/reactionary shibboleth, and was originally intended to be a college stoner that liked to pee with his pants fully down because it felt good, man. Attempts to steer Pepe back with additional comics, lawsuits, and attempts to regain control of the character by the original maker had mixed results and to this day Pepe (and Groyper and other mutations) is unfortunately still generally a fascist/reactionary shibboleth, especially when seen in the wild and presented by strangers.

There was some validity to the original usage of "the curtains were fucking blue" in its original context, especially when it came to the kind of "have a conclusion and look for evidence" sort of bad-faith analysis that was all too common in my upper division courses at university. Not every professor did that, of course, but those that did had a prepackaged expectation for what they wanted to find, everywhere, regardless of what the author or artist originally intended for any given work, or even if you subscribe to "death of the author" it was also regardless of what the viewing public or the class for that matter would have otherwise seen with it. A hammer-shaped ideology would see everything as a nail, so to speak.

Having said that, when I see "the curtains were fucking blue!" said online (or worse, in person, as has happened more times than I would have liked), it is used the same way as saying "shut up, I don't want to think about that, reductionist evaluation of the thing with pretenses of objectivity only" but with less honesty. If a game (or movie, or show) has skeezy or otherwise questionable content or messaging, the curtains must be blue to that person.

The consequences of the proliferation of "the curtains were fucking blue" can be seen in the fairly common belief that the only good art is only photorealistic drawings, done with some specific medium for novelty's sake, and typically done of pop culture characters that the viewer is already fond of, as is common on Reddit.

Yes, sometimes the curtains are indeed fucking blue. But other times, it is aggressive ignorance to say so. The most extreme example I can think of that I have personally experienced was a discussion on another site about the ideology of 80s television following Reagan-era deregulation of entertainment, news, and media in general, and the topic of GI Joe came up. I personally enjoyed that show as a kid, but as an adult, I could certainly see just how thick and heavy the messaging was from the introduction onward. "GI Joe is the code name for America's highly trained special mission force. Its purpose: to protect human freedom against Cobra, a ruthless terrorist organization determined to rule the world." I didn't even have to look up that text; it's burned into my memory, so successful was that messaging.

I heard those exact words, dropped like a bomb into the discussion: the curtains were fucking blue. That same person then said that GI Joe had NO political messaging whatsoever, that it was "nonpolitical" in his own words, and that saying otherwise was wishful thinking and, again in his own words, "having an agenda for your narrative."

I truly believe it's possible to enjoy (or have enjoyed) entertainment while both criticizing it and accepting criticism of it. But this wagon circling attitude when it comes to literary analysis is disturbingly common now. I still enjoy Tolkien's works, for example, but for some fans, something like this: https://existentialcomics.com/comic/175 can and has been seen as a threat, somehow, to the continued enjoyment of the work.

The curtains are sometimes more than blue. Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. :rat-salute:

  • UlyssesT [he/him]
    hexagon
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    3 years ago

    I know "The Jungle" predates the CIA's antics by quite a few years. If you read me more closely you'd see I was giving an example that a bad classroom (or CIA manipulation) isn't necessary for mistaken interpretations to happen, for purposes of fairness.

    Your example of John not being roused for three days, without any further teacher guidance or author implications, could very well be interpreted as the character becoming very ill.

    Your Catholic upbringing as you brought it up does help me see your perspective on things. You said I had some poor teachers, which I did (some good ones too, but I digress), so if you want me to understand where you're coming from when it comes to dogma obfuscating the nature of truth, I ask the same in return when it comes to a poorly taught classroom with uninspired students that simply decide what suits them from their pre-determined preferences without actually interacting with the material or deriving meaning from it, and how such things can make even a Steinbeck novel lose the entirety of its purpose in favor of "some family got their house bulldozed and a car dealership ripped them off, I guess. When's lunch?"

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      3 years ago

      To teach a single dogmatic interpretation and to open things up to the point that all interpretations are equally valid are both extremes which don't require any real understanding of the nuance of the text. The proper balance is one of informed individual opinions. If an interpretation is based on factual inaccuracies, misinterpretations, or bad faith, then that interpretation is not valid.

      However, this "proper balance" is not a balance between dogma and modern literary criticism. The balance is between dogma and lazy/apathetic teachers. "All interpretations are equally valid" is a strawman version of The Death of the Author, it is not a serious academic position.

      • UlyssesT [he/him]
        hexagon
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        edit-2
        3 years ago

        Informed opinions weren't really allowed to form in that classroom and a few like it. The pace of the classes was "show and show and show and show and test on facts rather than ideas in the literature."

        Framing my argument of telling not automatically being undesirable at all times against showing is strawmanning what I was saying. I was not suggesting or even implying teaching a single dogmatic interpretation.

        • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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          3 years ago

          The truth is, many people are stupid, including me, and telling them what exactly you’re trying to say is an excellent idea for this very reason

          Ok then. You are wrong. Show don't tell is good and you should agree with it

          Telling is literally so easy wtf