Hey hexbears just want to update everyone.
We took the weekend to properly consider and are removing: programming.dev , aussie.zone , and lemm.ee from our allow-list.
We will look at refederation with lemm.ee after local-only communities are developed. When that feature is available we would really like to consider changing every hexbear community to local-only except for chapotraphouse, askchapo, news, and the_dunk_tank. The final say on if a community is local only or not is 100% up to the mod team on that community.
The reason for this is that lemm.ee despite having twice our monthly active users has a 700k annual comment rate to hexbear's 1 million, in addition lemm.ee has very little active communities that do not exist on hexbear.
Resulting in lemm.ee benefit of federation being votes and views, with a secondary benefit of comments.
However, as expressed by users belonging to marginalized groups, comments from .ee users are often lib-shit and in some cases outright hostile. While many on hexbear love dunking on these lost libs the duty to protect marginalized users is much more important.
The end vote for programming.dev and aussie.zone was a tie, so we decided to break the tie in favor of defederation. The decision on lemm.ee was much harder as the average user did express desire to remain federated however the admin team decided that a temporary removal from our allow-list was the best option.
As an admin team we have never wanted to prioritize growth, and we wanted to give federation with liberal instances a try, however we consider providing a safer browsing experience for marginalized users more important than the opportunity to dunk.
While user side instance blocking and local sort are options, neither address the issue of federated instance users coming into posts in hexbear communities to make reactionary comments.
Thank you everyone who gave input and please provide any feedback, comments, concerns, etc in comments.
final vote count:
federation
all 32
aussie.zone 27
lemm.ee 41
programming.dev 27
lemmy.blahaj.zone 5
defederation
all 40
aussie.zone 19
lemm.ee 4
programming.dev 19
lemmy.blahaj.zone 43
I think you really just value "influence" over marginalized comrades when you say stuff like this tbh
I don't really want to start a fight over this but I will say I firmly believe the western leftist martyrdom mindset is the preference to fail by striving to be "perfect" instead of succeeding with imperfections.
I don't really like the tone of the responses either, I've ignored it but they have consistently felt like you're implying I'm not part of the marginalised. "Marginalised comrades" applies as much to me as anyone.
No where have I said that you're not marginalized, but I am saying that in this case you dismiss anyone who requires more safeguards in the community than you do
Requires? I think that's the wrong language. They would prefer more safeguards, they don't require them as they use plenty of other sites without them.
The issue here is a site policy issue, by having no firm position on federation/defederation "Hexbear will not defederate except for X reasons", the door is open for it to be pushed upon by everyone, for any and every reason. If that door were closed we simply wouldn't be having this conversation, and those people would still be here, using the site as-is, because they already use it.
I absolutely don't. It really speaks for this place that i come here in spite of the userbase being mostly cis men, but the reason why it stays that way is decisions like this one.