You realize AppImage is just the same thing as FlatPak/Snap right?
All package manager packages work with specific dependency versions and specific versions of libc.
So?
Yeah, what's so bad about requiring specific versions of every software library provided ahead of time. This would be like having to wait for Microsoft to update a Java version provided with Windows.
I have never encountered this, even on a rolling-release distro.
Yeah, because painstaking work was put in to make sure programs in the distro repository are all compatible, which means they're all out of date the instant a new version of a package comes out.
Have you ever encountered missing DLL errors? Because I sure have, and that’s certainly not something I’ve ever experienced on Linux.
I literally have not. Maybe the last time you used Windows was like 10 years ago or something?
Cool! I don’t want developers to distribute software!
Just completely out of touch nonsense. Developers or every single other platform release their own software. Not doing that is like requiring Apple to not only review every update like they do, but do the compilation and bug testing themselves.
Whenever developers distribute their own software, it always ends up like shit-infested malware havens like Chrome web store and other crapware stores. Developers add tracking code to their software, which of course no one reviews and removes because they’re the ones distributing their own software! I don’t trust developers to distribute their own software! I don’t trust developers to randomly change and break things by their own accord like fucking Mozilla does. But I will still use that shit (Firefox), and it is okay, because the sewage water has been cleaned and filtered by distro maintainers.
You're never getting "the year of the Linux desktop" if you are centralizing all software releases into a handful of organizations. How could a Linux nerd basically advocate for the iOS app store but even more exclusive? Most desktop software for Linux isn't even available in package managers! Like Steam! Also you're just conflating stuff breaking with it not being picked over by distro maintainers, when the actual answer is that SOFTWARE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND UPDATED HAS BUGS. Most of the stuff in package managers is updated very infrequently relative to most software today.
Also, I don’t trust developers to not bundle malware with their software. See: JDownloader2 bundling adware in their installer and such. (I will still use that shit though, it’s amazing.)
Then maybe software should actually be sandboxed... like Flatpak and Snap. You're saying every software program written ever needs to be security reviewed by OS developers?!?!
Don’t use Debian Stable if you want up-to-date applications.
On Windows I don't have to care about stable and unstable, I can just go to a program's website and click download or the program updates itself. Every piece of software on my computer is on the latest released version, because it comes directly from the developers.
Distributions are called distributions because they distribute software. Let them do their damn job!
Maybe that's why every single one of them is 15 years behind Windows lmao.
You realize AppImage is just the same thing as FlatPak/Snap right?
And it's irrelevant because I don't want developers to distribute their software in the first place.
Yeah, what’s so bad about requiring specific versions of every software library provided ahead of time. This would be like having to wait for Microsoft to update a Java version provided with Windows.
And? So what?
Yeah, because painstaking work was put in to make sure programs in the distro repository are all compatible, which means they’re all out of date the instant a new version of a package comes out.
Everything is by definition out-of-date when something new replaces it. Your statement is meaningless.
I literally have not. Maybe the last time you used Windows was like 10 years ago or something?
Well I fucking have, and I don't give a shit if you're lucky enough to have never encountered random fucking DLL errors and have to fix it yourself by manually downloading the right version of the library.
Just completely out of touch nonsense. Developers or every single other platform release their own software. Not doing that is like requiring Apple to not only review every update like they do, but do the compilation and bug testing themselves.
Ok and? And every single one of those platforms are filled with shit-infested crapware!
You’re never getting “the year of the Linux desktop” if you are centralizing all software releases into a handful of organizations. How could a Linux nerd basically advocate for the iOS app store but even more exclusive? Most desktop software for Linux isn’t even available in package managers! Like Steam! Also you’re just conflating stuff breaking with it not being picked over by distro maintainers, when the actual answer is that SOFTWARE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND UPDATED HAS BUGS. Most of the stuff in package managers is updated very infrequently relative to most software today.
Lmao??? What the actual fuck are you even talking about?
You’re never getting “the year of the Linux desktop” if you are centralizing all software releases into a handful of organizations. How could a Linux nerd basically advocate for the iOS app store but even more exclusive?
"Handful of organizations" being a wide variety of different and varied open distributions that you can freely contribute to...
Who the fuck is stopping you from installing out of package manager software on Linux? Nobo-fucking-dy!
Most desktop software for Linux isn’t even available in package managers!
Who the fuck is out of touch here? Who the fuck actually uses Linux here? What the fuck? THE VAST MAJORITY of desktop software for Linux is fucking available in package managers. I have not fucking met a single fucking desktop application that was not packaged. I don't know what the fuck you're trying to use that isn't packaged.
Like Steam!
??? What trash distro are you using that doesn't package Steam for fucks sake?!
Also you’re just conflating stuff breaking with it not being picked over by distro maintainers, when the actual answer is that SOFTWARE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND UPDATED HAS BUGS.
I cannot even parse this fucking sentence lmao
Most of the stuff in package managers is updated very infrequently relative to most software today.
Cool. Use your fucking Debian Stable and project it onto all distributions.
Then maybe software should actually be sandboxed… like Flatpak and Snap. You’re saying every software program written ever needs to be security reviewed by OS developers!!!
Distro != OS
The people developing Linux, GNU, GNOME, are not the same people who are maintaining your fucking Debian Stable.
The whole point of a software distribution is to distribute software. It does so very well. The software works and fits together snugly, unlike Windows apps which are alien to each other.
On Windows I don’t have to care about stable and unstable, I can just go to a program’s website and click download or the program updates itself. Every piece of software on my computer is on the latest released version, because it comes directly from the developers.
Who the fuck asked you to care about unstable releases? In fact, on a software download page, you will be presented with unstable versions! Also, enjoy 10 million different shitty auto-updating systems that don't fucking work and just link you to the installer so that you can go through the 50-step process again, lol.
Maybe that’s why every single one of them is 15 years behind Windows lmao.
The whole point of a software distribution is to distribute software. It does so very well. The software works and fits together snugly, unlike Windows apps which are alien to each other.
Apparently not well enough because nobody actually uses Linux desktops. You keep coming up with more random features of that software delivery system like "fits together snugly". All of these benefits don't actually provide value to anyone other than software programmers who use Linux for server deployment, which is who package managers are actually designed around (because that's what Linux is actually used for). Ultimately, having all these different distros repeating the same work over and over releasing software updates, acting as a middle man between users and software, is inefficient and hobbles actual software. It also means if you want to create a new Linux distro, you now have to compile every single software program still in use, in order for the distro to be useful to the widest range of people.
OK. Enjoy your adware-laden software you downloaded from random sites on the internet. Enjoy your software that just randomly breaks. Enjoy your forced updates. Enjoy your npm-style software repositories. Enjoy your ransomware that came with that hot new Windows-fixer program. I'll enjoy the modern comforts of a package manager and software distributions. You enjoy your shitware.
Apparently not well enough because nobody actually uses Linux desktops.
On a communist website, this person doesn't understand that free markets aren't actually free. Why aren't ISPs good? Why don't the people just switch ISPs when one offers a better service? Inertia inhibits competition. The fact that Windows is the default on all systems inhibits competition.
You realize AppImage is just the same thing as FlatPak/Snap right?
Yeah, what's so bad about requiring specific versions of every software library provided ahead of time. This would be like having to wait for Microsoft to update a Java version provided with Windows.
Yeah, because painstaking work was put in to make sure programs in the distro repository are all compatible, which means they're all out of date the instant a new version of a package comes out.
I literally have not. Maybe the last time you used Windows was like 10 years ago or something?
Just completely out of touch nonsense. Developers or every single other platform release their own software. Not doing that is like requiring Apple to not only review every update like they do, but do the compilation and bug testing themselves.
You're never getting "the year of the Linux desktop" if you are centralizing all software releases into a handful of organizations. How could a Linux nerd basically advocate for the iOS app store but even more exclusive? Most desktop software for Linux isn't even available in package managers! Like Steam! Also you're just conflating stuff breaking with it not being picked over by distro maintainers, when the actual answer is that SOFTWARE THAT IS ACTUALLY DEVELOPED AND UPDATED HAS BUGS. Most of the stuff in package managers is updated very infrequently relative to most software today.
Then maybe software should actually be sandboxed... like Flatpak and Snap. You're saying every software program written ever needs to be security reviewed by OS developers?!?!
On Windows I don't have to care about stable and unstable, I can just go to a program's website and click download or the program updates itself. Every piece of software on my computer is on the latest released version, because it comes directly from the developers.
Maybe that's why every single one of them is 15 years behind Windows lmao.
And it's irrelevant because I don't want developers to distribute their software in the first place.
And? So what?
Everything is by definition out-of-date when something new replaces it. Your statement is meaningless.
Well I fucking have, and I don't give a shit if you're lucky enough to have never encountered random fucking DLL errors and have to fix it yourself by manually downloading the right version of the library.
Ok and? And every single one of those platforms are filled with shit-infested crapware!
Lmao??? What the actual fuck are you even talking about?
"Handful of organizations" being a wide variety of different and varied open distributions that you can freely contribute to...
Who the fuck is stopping you from installing out of package manager software on Linux? Nobo-fucking-dy!
Who the fuck is out of touch here? Who the fuck actually uses Linux here? What the fuck? THE VAST MAJORITY of desktop software for Linux is fucking available in package managers. I have not fucking met a single fucking desktop application that was not packaged. I don't know what the fuck you're trying to use that isn't packaged.
??? What trash distro are you using that doesn't package Steam for fucks sake?!
I cannot even parse this fucking sentence lmao
Cool. Use your fucking Debian Stable and project it onto all distributions.
Distro != OS
The people developing Linux, GNU, GNOME, are not the same people who are maintaining your fucking Debian Stable.
The whole point of a software distribution is to distribute software. It does so very well. The software works and fits together snugly, unlike Windows apps which are alien to each other.
Who the fuck asked you to care about unstable releases? In fact, on a software download page, you will be presented with unstable versions! Also, enjoy 10 million different shitty auto-updating systems that don't fucking work and just link you to the installer so that you can go through the 50-step process again, lol.
>installs Debian Stable
>can't read
>why is all my software outdated help
Apparently not well enough because nobody actually uses Linux desktops. You keep coming up with more random features of that software delivery system like "fits together snugly". All of these benefits don't actually provide value to anyone other than software programmers who use Linux for server deployment, which is who package managers are actually designed around (because that's what Linux is actually used for). Ultimately, having all these different distros repeating the same work over and over releasing software updates, acting as a middle man between users and software, is inefficient and hobbles actual software. It also means if you want to create a new Linux distro, you now have to compile every single software program still in use, in order for the distro to be useful to the widest range of people.
OK. Enjoy your adware-laden software you downloaded from random sites on the internet. Enjoy your software that just randomly breaks. Enjoy your forced updates. Enjoy your npm-style software repositories. Enjoy your ransomware that came with that hot new Windows-fixer program. I'll enjoy the modern comforts of a package manager and software distributions. You enjoy your shitware.
On a communist website, this person doesn't understand that free markets aren't actually free. Why aren't ISPs good? Why don't the people just switch ISPs when one offers a better service? Inertia inhibits competition. The fact that Windows is the default on all systems inhibits competition.
nerd
im owned and will delete my account now
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