What does your history textbooks say?

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Edit: next time, I tag in the comments...

  • Rania 🇩🇿🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    Tagging doesn't work in posts, the textbooks say nothing about it, because Algeria implemented a policy of not talking about it after the peace treaty was made, it stops talking about history past 1991.

    My thoughts on it is that it was an after effect of the collapse of the USSR and the Americo-Saudi funded Afghanistan MCjihadists, they literally were the same ones coming in here, a lot of them were "Afghan-Arabs" coming back to the country, they used the same tactics, they just weren't as funded and Algeria wasn't as weak as the Afghanistan government.

    The main turning point of the situation is considered to be the military couping the elected FIS, who were an anti-democratic anti-communist pro-landowner wahabbi fundementalists party, the reason they won is that they already had propaganda posts in every mosque, and the conditions of poverty Algerians faced in the last 80s due to the petrol price crash and Gorby being a scumbag. Many overlook this part but after the FIS was elected, a lot of work unions did a strike on them, so the economy went shit and banks and anything else stopped working.

    The Algerian military couped the elected FIS, dismantled the party and arrested its leader and installed Mohammed Boudiaf (a socialist and an independence war hero) as the new president... he was assassinated on live television by his body guard.

    The Militarized MCjihadists in Algeria used the exact same tactics used by the ones in Afghanistan, they used to throw acid on female college students, assassinate teachers, raid schools, bomb school busses, massacre villages, behead people, kidnap school girls and take them into the mountain for you know what. but their first major operation was bombing the Houari Boumedienne airport.

    On the other hand the Algerian military used similar tactics to the soviets in Afghanistan, bombing areas suspected of having mchijahdists with Mil Mi 24 fire, enforcing checkpoints, creating a special force unit for anti terrorist and guerilla fighting, but also like in Afghanistan whatever the military did in the day didn't mean anything, because they couldn't do anything to the MCjihadists at night, sanctions were enforced on Algeria and it wasn't allowed to buy night vision goggles, an enforced curfew past 5 PM, meant an instant death sentence to any home that had a slight bit of lit leaking out of it at night. A number of massacres happened with some units stationed not so far away, which lead to a lot of people into speculating and creating conspiracy theories that the massacres were committed by the military, a lot of these theories come from Wahhabi think tanks and they're still being spread to this day.

    Individual Algerian soldiers were corrupt and brutal, they used to steal cars at checkpoints then sell them at other areas, they tortured people, harass anyone with a beard, if they accidentally shoot the wrong crowd they'll blame terrorists on it etc... a book called "الحرب القذرة" by "حبيب سويدية" which is the memoir of an Algerian special forces officer recounts some of that, and there's another memoir written by "خالد نزار" himself who was the defense minister during that time.

    Because of that, a lot of civilians ended up hating both the MCjihadists and the military, but some regions had a bias, my mom recalls (in the early 90s she used to live in an area with a high terrorist presence) that one time soldiers came in a with a regional leader of a terrorist organizations and then they crucified him and set him on fire, and the neighborhood was cheering them on.

    The war ended under a peace project by the president Bouteflika, the peace deal was towards the individual fighters in the terrorist organizations, they were allowed to be free as long they weren't linked to a specific crime, they had to get down from the mountains and give up their weapon. the war going on for 10 years and the terrorists losing funding and support from the people led to a ton of them agreeing on the pact, the ones left either run away to other countries like "Moukhtar Belmoukhtar" or are still running around in the mountains to this day.

    • deathtoreddit@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      7 months ago

      The Militarized MCjihadists in Algeria used the exact same tactics used by the ones in Afghanistan, they used to throw acid on female college students, assassinate teachers, raid schools, bomb school busses, massacre villages, behead people, kidnap school girls and take them into the mountain for you know what. but their first major operation was bombing the Houari Boumedienne airport.

      Looks like we watched Blowback Season 4 like before. So, it was bloody to that extent, huh

      The main turning point of the situation is considered to be the military couping the elected FIS

      How did the military end up fighting against them? Usually, it's the stupid military coup men who come in and turn countries into reactionarism... such as Chile with Pinochet...

      (I know military coups are a double-edged sword for revolution, but in the context of the post-USSR situation, it's surprising)

      • Rania 🇩🇿🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        Looks like we watched Blowback Season 4 like before. So, it was bloody to that extent, huh

        I knew that you were here from Blowback from you saying "Algerian dirty war" lmao, so I made the paragraph around what the podcast already gave you.

        How did the military end up fighting against them? Usually, it’s the stupid military coup men who come in and turn countries into reactionarism… such as Chile with Pinochet…

        1. The People's army of Algeria is different than other armies in that it's the successor of the national liberation army, it still had that name back then Khaled Nezzar (minister of defense) was a soldier during the independence war.
        2. It was close to the Soviets, not only in weapons but also training, tactics, strategy, they knew who these were and they knew they were not good, the military even banned women from wearing the hijab in the army and the police force during that time.
        3. the main interest of most organized militaries is being paid, the fascists in Chile were on the U.S. and western capitalists payroll so they followed what it told them, the FIS was destroying the economy by just existing so the Algerian military went against it.
        4. coup d'etats don't work even if they're lead by a socialist because they aren't proper revolutions, most of the time the people don't even know what's going on and are just seeing another guy come into charge, that's why Egypt did a 180 turn when Nasser died, same thing with Iraq and general Qassim.
    • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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      23 days ago

      The main turning point of the situation is considered to be the military couping the elected FIS, who were an anti-democratic anti-communist pro-landowner wahabbi fundementalists party, the reason they won is that they already had propaganda posts in every mosque, and the conditions of poverty Algerians faced in the last 80s due to the petrol price crash and Gorby being a scumbag. Many overlook this part but after the FIS was elected, a lot of work unions did a strike on them, so the economy went shit and banks and anything else stopped working.

      I would probably not deny the first part of FIS's ideology, since they were funded by islamist gov't of Saudi Arabia and Iran

      Reading back on this, though, in Wikipedia, it says that the FLN was implementing austerity policies upon Algeria (probably due to the USSR's forced dissolution), and that there wasn't any anti-FIS strikes mentioned after the FIS took power... unlike the pro-FIS strikes that came before it, which was mentioned

      In fact, it seems in local gov't, before they took federal power

      Once in power in local governments, its administration and its Islamic charity were praised by many as just, equitable, orderly and virtuous, in contrast to its corrupt, wasteful, arbitrary and inefficient FLN predecessors.[45][46]

      That being said, I suspect this below was the actual immediate cause, which is understandable, plus the background of its anti-secular policies

      In January 1991 following the start of the Gulf War, the FIS led giant demonstrations in support of Saddam Hussein and Iraq. One demonstration ended in front of the Ministry of Defense where radical leader Ali Benhadj gave an impassioned speech demanding a corp of volunteers be sent to fight for Saddam. The Algerian military took this as a direct affront to the military hierarchy and cohesion. After a project to realign electoral districts came to light in May, the FIS called for a general strike. Violence ensued and on 3 June 1991 a state of emergency was declared, many constitutional rights were suspended, and parliamentary elections postponed until December. The FIS began to lose the initiative and within a month the two leaders (Mandani and Benhadj) of the FIS were arrested and later sentenced to twelve years in prison.[50] Support for armed struggle began to develop among Bouyali's followers and veterans of the Afghan jihad and on 28 November the first act of jihad against the government occurred when a frontier post (at Guemmar) was attacked and the heads of army conscripts were cut off.[51] (Jesus Christ)

      Do you have any sources that are contrary to these claims?

      • Rania 🇩🇿🏳️‍⚧️@lemmygrad.ml
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        23 days ago

        Iran didn't fund the FIS, it was rumors during the 90s without any proof, reason was that some takfiri groups were taking concubines and calling it "zawaj mit'ah", Shias also have a thing with the same name but both parties consent to marriage that its end is known.
        Yeah the government took austerity measures and even took IMF loans that caused 1 million people to be unemployed, economy was too reliant on crude oils and the the price drop that happened destroyed it.
        Yes the FIS leaders wanted to send soldiers to Iraq, it would've been suicide for us.