• cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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    9 months ago

    A little reminder of who this fascist CIA asset was: he regularly participated in neo-nazi marches, advocated to strip non-ethnic Russians of their Russian citizenship, and called muslim Chechens "cockroaches".

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      It was so bad that even western media was forced to report on it. In 2021, a BBC article reported even Amnesty International was forced to strip Navalny’s “prisoner of conscience” status for the violence and hate he unremorsefully promoted https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56181084

      That same month, US government-funded Radio Free Europe likewise was forced to concede Navalny’s extremist background https://www.rferl.org/a/navalny-failure-to-renounce-nationalist-past-support/31122014.html

    • lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      If he had really conquered power libs would have been like "oh no how could this happen, no one could've ever forseen that he would be even worse than Putin 😭"

      • knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        If he had opened Russian markets to exploitation by Wall Street they wouldn't have cared.

        Western libs still look back fondly on the Yeltsin years...

        • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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          9 months ago

          We have pretty conclusive proof they were trying to make him into the Russian Guaido. There's a clip going around from 2013 claimed to be either Navalny himself or the director of his "anti-corruption" fund (either way makes no difference) that shows them asking a British MI6 agent for 10-20 million dollars in order to plan, in their own words "mass protests, civil initiatives, propaganda, establishing contacts with elites".

          My bet is that the West decided now that he was going to serve a decades long sentence for numerous crimes he was no longer worth anything as an asset and they burned him. They did it at an opportune enough moment to create distraction from unfavorable developments and try to use this along with the fearmongering story they ran about Russian space nukes to get the US Congress to give them the money for more weapons to Ukraine.

    • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      Shoutout to the people on reddit who 'vividly remember the day he was poisoned' and to those saying he would be the Russian Mandela, bringing peace and justice to Russia.

  • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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    9 months ago

    Blairite labour are all posting their little eulogies about him, claiming that he was a hero of democracy. But, like, Navalny was a Neo-Nazi he wasn't gonna democratise shit. Like, why hitch your wagon to one of the Russian politicians more reactionary than Putin, especially now he's dead?

    • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlM
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      9 months ago

      NATO monkey brain short circuits to pitting nazis against Russia. Any other logic or consideration is immediately hurled out of the window.

    • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      Because when they say "democratise", they actually mean "privatise everything and start selling out to international financial capital". Don't forget: nazis were a tool of the bourgeoisie to clamp down on proletariat and ensure private profits

      • WittyProfileName2 [she/her]
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        9 months ago

        I understand why the liberals disingenuously label live Nazis as freedom fighters, like, they do it so often that at this point I wonder if it's an involuntary reflex for them to cheer when they see a swastika.

        I don't understand why they're still doing it now he's dead and therefore no longer any use to them.

      • 小莱卡@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        Definitely and im sure it was intended.

        The way i see it, the plan was to keep building the war capabilities of Ukraine while trying to destabilize Russia with fascists like Navalny, fascists are very easy to manipulate and predict. Having fascists factions in Russia would've inevitably led to an internal conflict because of the huge cultural diversity in Russia. A more armed Ukraine wouldve seized the chance with the backing of NATO.

        Needless to say, the SMO caught the west by surprise and, with how its going, will end up ruining whatever they had planned in the region.

  • loathsome dongeater@lemmygrad.mlM
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    9 months ago

    He just died? Wow. I didn’t know that. You are telling me now for the first time. He led an amazing life. What else can you say. Whether you agreed or not, he was an amazing man who led an amazing life. I am actually sad to hear that. I am sad to hear that.

  • Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml
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    9 months ago

    Maybe Putin killed him, maybe he didn't. But wasn't he in jail for 2 years? Why wait so long for a hit?

    • EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      It's not just the ~300 days in prison. It's not like it was hard to kill him at any point prior. Not to mention the dumb fuck did more to die himself with that "poisoning"(probably an OD).

      Honestly, I don't see a single reason why Putin would do it. The situation was perfect for him as it was - Navalny was largely forgotten and had no bearing on anything. If anything, he won't appreciate a minor shitstorm on the Internet a month before the elections.

      But hey, "great" people can't just die of health issues, it's always someone!

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        9 months ago

        I think the simplest explanation is that Russian prisons, like most other prisons, are simply bad for your health in general, especially if it is weakened by an OD/poisoning/whatever. It would make more sense for the yanks to kill him than it would for Putin (who would have gained more from people simply forgetting about him), although it seems lightly implausible (but not impossible) that they infiltrated a Siberian penal colony just to kill a guy so he could be used as a martyr.

        • EuthanatosMurderhobo@lemmygrad.ml
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          9 months ago

          although it seems lightly implausible (but not impossible) that they infiltrated a Siberian penal colony just to kill a guy so he could be used as a martyr.

          Well, they wouldn't have to, really. It's not that hard to pay a crooked prison guard these days. But yeah, my money's on a prison beyond the polar circle being bad for you, especially when you're not that healthy to begin with, as well.

          Edit for the fans of conspiratorial version: his lawyer visited a couple of days prior, so maybe not even a guard, or a guard was paid not to search the lawyer to zealously.

    • DankZedong @lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      I believe he had issues throughout his captivity. Sickness, hunger strike, that kind of stuff. I don't think he got a five star hotel treatment either and eventually your health becomes a severe risk. Or maybe Putin just killed him.

  • rainpizza@lemmygrad.ml
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    9 months ago

    All of the most popular subreddits are talking about Navalny's death as if he was some kind of hero. It is impressive how propaganda can PR this dude's image into a fantastical hero/human that liberals can look up to. Truly disgusting how libs fall for this

  • Kirbywithwhip1987@lemmygrad.ml
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    9 months ago

    What a coincidence, just yesterday I saw some idiots in comments on r*ddit mentioning him, which was also posted here and just today we get yet another gender-neutral bathroom in Russia!

    *removed externally hosted image*

  • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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    9 months ago

    No figure better encapsulates Western liberal propaganda against Russia.

    Notice the complete absence of discussion of any other oppositions figures or forces (controlled or otherwise) within Russia, along with the attendant impression that he is supposed to be far more popular than he actually is.

    Note the conspiracy of silence regarding his past and actual political ideology.

    That being said, whatever the circumstances of his death, it's a nationalist government killing a fascist. Oh well.

    • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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      9 months ago

      it’s a nationalist government killing a fascist.

      If they wanted the idiot dead, he'd be dead long before.

      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        I don't really think this is valid reasoning tbh. Governments can kill people at a whim, but frequently do not because they would rather they die over time through conditions such as prisons. There are other factors they consider apart from simply wanting him dead. They don't need to have killed his directly. It could simply be the result of mental and physical health issues due to his imprisonment. Life expectancy in prisons is markedly lower for a reason.

        I've seen takes that he was killed by the West to blame Putin, but I haven't really seen any actual hard evidence for this

        Western governments want Assange dead. So by that logic he'd be dead long before now. He's not, but I'm not about to conclude that the US gov doesn't want Assange in an anonymous ditch. There are plenty of revolutionaries being let to rot in US prisons from the previous decades. It's just killing them in slow motion.

        At the end of the day we don't have objective info to allow us to conclude one way or another as to exactly why he's dead, and both the West and Russia are obviously deeply biased sources.

    • SoyViking [he/him]
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      9 months ago

      Western media are really bad at this. Whenever they are dealing with political struggles in countries outside their Aryan garden, they immediately reduce everything down to a simple binary of pro-western/pro-democracy/anti-corruption Vs. pro-BadCountry/authoritarian/corrupt.

      • StalinForTime [comrade/them]
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        9 months ago

        Yeah it's also crazy when you realize how instinctual it is. Like I don't think all the dolts at the Guardian pumping out ink for the ink god really reflectively think 'we have to craft this Manichean narrative for the sake of liberalism' given that's not actually how ideology generally works. I have no doubt (actually, I know from personal experience) that it you push narrative which don't conform you will sometimes get responses which straight-up make no reference to the truth of the matter but explicitly reject what you're saying because it's politically inconvenient. That being said, it is fascinating and disturbing how reflexive and instinctual these kinds of responses are in general liberal culture, and how little most people in liberal societies are either unwilling or incapable of critically analyzing and evaluating this kind of stuff. Like they could just read what Putin says to get a more accurate account of the Russian state's motivations for their actions.