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Thoughts?

She brings up a good point how liberal (aka burgoise) feminism is used as a tool of racism, which imo is also used as a tool of imperialism. (same as western imperialists hiding behind faux support of queer people imo)

I am still watching myself, so I may add comments as I hear stuff.

  • Dꫀꪑꪮꪀᥴ᥅ꪖᥴꪗ@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    I can't stress how revolutionary this video sounds to me. Instead of focusing on the concept of "toxic masculinity", she actually addresses that men act the way they are, because of the ongoing societal issues, and brings up how the solution to make men act like women boils down to wishing to make men docile/submissive as women are being systematically made by the education system (I'm not entirely sure about how the education system makes women submissive, without doing so to men, but I'm still watching). She brings up how patriarchy and toxic masculinity are used as false reasons for people's struggles to poor societal conditions, and how it was actually a resistance of poor people to the class war, to racism they're affected by. This video is so good.

    • lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml
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      5 months ago

      I watched it some time ago and I agree! This creator can go from good to super based at times. I don't know if she has ties to the growing anti-colonial alternative media from France but she really has similar talking points so it wouldn't surprise me at all. Those are people who are both cool, successful and able to quote Chairman Mao on the occasion. This is what gives me hope about this otherwise cringe country!

  • spacecadet [he/him]
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    5 months ago

    I've heard the idea that if men were more like women the world would be a better place (frankly still not totally unconvinced of this assertion), but her point that this particular type of submissive/docile woman that is being referenced in the aforementioned hypothetical is in fact manufactured in part by patriarchy is a great point.

    In general though, feminism without class consciousness is very pernicious and from my US POV is pretty widespread among middle/upper class groups. It can be difficult to criticize because blatant misogyny is still such a common perspective here, so offering nuanced views on feminism to a bourgeois feminist can be difficult and often seen as hostile.

    • MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml
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      5 months ago

      Fuck, if this isn't the truth! Breaking through privilege of any type is rough for everyone involved, but so very powerful if you can accomplish it.

  • Dꫀꪑꪮꪀᥴ᥅ꪖᥴꪗ@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    At the end she brings up a feminist who uses intersectionality as a tool to support concepts like the nuclear family, and other right wing values.

    I cannot do the video justice. I genuinely think all leftists should watch it. It's really good.

    The comments are madness though. xd

    • Dꫀꪑꪮꪀᥴ᥅ꪖᥴꪗ@lemmygrad.ml
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      5 months ago

      There are also some good comments and critiques of her video, e.g.:

      ""the education of boys is bad" followed by "that statement in itself doesn't seem too bad, right?" is a completely wild and insane sentence."

      I completely agree with the person. IDK why she thought education of boys being bad didn't sound like an utterly despicable thing.

  • Giyuu@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    Thank you for the vid, I'll bookmark it for later (have a backlog of content and study materials that's piling up in my break from theory). Always love an analysis that peels back the facade of rainbow capitalism since living in the US it's everywhere with both sides using it all the time.

    Hope you stay strong comrade.

  • supersolid_snake@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    Hate to quote this person given his recent politics but, "you were in on the heist (white supremacy), you just didn't like your cut".

  • QueerCommie@lemmygrad.ml
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    5 months ago

    YouTube has wanted me to watch this for months. I don’t feel like it. Interested to see the thoughts of those that did watch it tho.

    • Dꫀꪑꪮꪀᥴ᥅ꪖᥴꪗ@lemmygrad.ml
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      5 months ago

      It's not a perfect video by any means, but it's legitimely the first time I saw someone acknowledge a lot of issues perpetrated by men is men reacting to inhumane conditions of living as poor people under capitalism.

      I don't have stats to back this up, but from my experience men tend to "fail" harder at capitalism - once they're not doing well, they don't get as much help if any, and it goes downhill. The rough sleeping homeless are predominantly male and people hate them. Tons of low paid unsightly uncomfortable jobs are filled entirely by men. Men live less yet tend to get worse retirement age (in some countries not even equal to women's). Men are dehumanized and frequently entirely seen as fully equivalent to robots to do the rich's bidding. They're meat fodder for their wars. And if they don't want to participate, they're systematically abused mentally and physically for it. And there's so much more. I do believe systemic misandry is possibly the biggest chunk of capitalism self preserving. And it's so ingrained into the society I nearly never see it spoken of, and right wing men's rights activists tend to only observe it skin-deep, without reflecting on who gets benefited by working men to death. Capitalism also always needs to create a group who is content with status quo, so it wouldn't benefit them to apply it to the entire society as severely, plus they need constant supply of new workers. But they also supply new workers mainly through immigrants such as myself, and they dehumanize as much and more as they dehumanize men in homogenous societies. As a chronic man lover, I find it grim. I love men so much I yearn for communism, so men don't have to suffer like this.

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