I think we can all agree the spirit of the Empire has changed or shared hands many times throughout history. We can all agree a fundamental root of Western imperialism is the Roman Empire. We can also point to the United States as the clear holder of the title today, and more recently to the British, French, Spanish, and the like. The Nazi Empire was Germany's attempt to seize the reins.

However, it is hard for me to pinpoint the missing link between the Romans and the developed Christendom/ renaissance/ colonial/ industrial Western powers. Could one be the Vikings?

I am not an expert on the Vikings, but at a glance, it seems to check out. They are romanticized by white culture despite being a violent society--I understand they also foraged and farmed and made art, but they were famous for raiding, raping, murdering, pillaging, burning, and enslaving. There is reasons the Nazis popularized and the middle class whites of today maintain the idea that blonde-haired blue-eyed pale people are the ultimate human form, and the Nordic countries are seen as paradise, the ideal all leftwing imperialist liberals aspire to, despite to this day being functionally aspiring ethnostates. Vikings are not only celebrated in mainstream media, but all the white supremacist fascists love adorning themselves and their imagery with Viking aesthetics. Many Neo Nazi narrators invoke the Vikings as inspiration to the spirit of the legendary White Man™️ they must uphold. It seems their pagan religion was subsumed into the imperial Christian Church, but how did imperial Christianity subsume its neighbors? By integration, perhaps in this case, by taking warlike aesthetics from paganism and cutting off the harmony with nature.

My history knowledge here is a little vague, but didn't they essentially invade and take over England? So, would that not make the British--the closest to a post-Roman pre-USian singular pilot of Western hegemony--spiritually a lovechild of the Romans and the Vikings who both colonized them? In this way, Britian was much like the United States; original inhabitants slaughtered or subjugated, with a myriad of wicked societies forming a ghoulish beast together, no?

I am definitely no expert on the various histories at play here, so I wanted to see what comrades here think about this narrative.

  • Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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    8 months ago

    We can all agree a fundamental root of Western imperialism is the Roman Empire.

    Can we? Should we?

    However, it is hard for me to pinpoint the missing link between the Romans and the developed Christendom/ renaissance/ colonial/ industrial Western powers

    The "missing link" is the development of productive forces. As described by Marx and Engels. That's it.

    It's frankly hard for me to read everything else in your post. Now, I don't mean to be insulting, but I will probably come off as such anyway. My comrade, I have to ask what the hey is going on in your bright head. You are veering into rather strange territory.

    There is no need for any of this.

    • KiG V2@lemmygrad.ml
      hexagon
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      8 months ago

      Well, thank you for assuming I'm bright 😅😅

      I do try and find a link between the harder scientific materialistic indisputable core of Marxism Leninism and the softer amorphous woo-woo borderline-insane depths of spirituality, conspiracy, and pop-history narratives because I am deeply interested in "selling" Marxism Leninism to the types of people susceptible to this thinking and, to be honest, I have a little bit of it in myself; I would like to be a translator between the sensible people here and the half-baked delusional regular people I encounter in day-to-day American life. I definitely veer too far and I am a little schizo with substance abuse problems and so I do measure reactions such as this to the stranger things I play around with; I appreciate your reaction and the reaction of others and it helps me understand what is worth exploring mentally and what might be a waste of time. Blessed day to you.