• Veganhydride [he/him]
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    2 years ago

    But some carnists will readily admit cows and pigs are cute and still eat them

    • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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      2 years ago

      Different types of cuteness

      A Pokemon is designed to be considered the ultimate companion for a person, as they say "Every Pokemon is someone's favorite" and the idea of eating that hits a nerve

      Farm animals are taught to us to be sources of food, so even if they're cute, they're still seen as a food source first and foremost

      • ssjmarx [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        That's a good point. People have an aversion to eating dogs for the same reason - if your culture hasn't gotten you used to the idea of seeing an animal as food, your empathy will naturally kick in at the thought of killing and eating it.

      • Veganhydride [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Are they really different types of cuteness? Maybe cows and pigs aren't as cute as Pikachu, but rabbits exist... Not to mention Farfetch'd is pretty much just a duck, and the article is about Lechonk which isn't much cuter than a real pig beyond perhaps the name. And then there's the fact that many real animals killed for food are babies which tend to be viewed as more cute. I just don't really get it.

        And a lot of people have favorite animals too, but you'd be hard-pressed to find an animal nobody has eaten - and not rarely, some of these animals can be regularly eaten by humans without significant outrage from people who love those animals (rabbits, horses).

        (I'm operating under the assumption that we're not discussing the merits of veganism but simply whether or not it should be surprising that people view animals and Pokémon differently - I don't think cuteness or indoctrination are relevant factors when it comes to justifying animal exploitation but they can explain mindsets for sure)

        • Ho_Chi_Chungus [she/her]
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          2 years ago

          Many people simply hold contradictory positions on things for no other reason than "I've never really thought about them". Chuds will fly a thin blue line flag in one hand and a Gadsen in the other and either don't care or legitimately don't see the contradiction. Many people can also think that cows are intelligent, cute, and also food

          • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            You can see a good example of this in play when it comes to veal

            Lot of people who eat beef would never touch veal because it's cruel and inhumane to eat the young calf

            Completely bypassing the fact that the steers that are killed for beef aren't that much older and definitely not treated much better

            • GreenTeaRedFlag [any]
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              2 years ago

              I think that's because the steer could be treated better, and sometimes is. The veal is inherently wrong by most standards.

          • Veganhydride [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Sure. It's pretty common. Still worth pointing out the contradictions, sometimes that's all it takes for people to want to go vegan. Well that or they will go the opposite direction - "if Pokémon can be eaten, that means real animals can be eaten - there's no longer any contradiction, yay".

            That's what I thought when I was a kid. We had a rabbit at home, but I would occasionally eat rabbit too... Faced with this apparent contradiction and forced to resolve it, I decided that if I could eat cows, I could also eat rabbits... I guess it's the much easier solution.

      • Veganhydride [he/him]
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        2 years ago

        Cows and pigs definitely have personalities. I agree that Pokémon express emotions in a more human-like way, but if you consider that cats and dogs have personalities, so do cows and pigs. They've just been commodified to an extreme degree. The only difference between cats/dogs and animals farmed in the West is just cultural habits. u/ssjmarx put it well: "People have an aversion to eating dogs for the same reason - if your culture hasn’t gotten you used to the idea of seeing an animal as food, your empathy will naturally kick in at the thought of killing and eating it."

        I don't use "it" to describe animals mostly for this exact reason.

        Farm animals sometimes have names - some dairy capitalists even enjoy telling you which specific named cows were exploited for your milk. But I suppose this is a pretty standard marketing thing - corporations love to simultaneously humanize animals and bring attention to the fact that they're exploited.

          • Veganhydride [he/him]
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            2 years ago

            Only in the sense that forcing these animals to spend their whole lives in a slaughterhouse does not exactly foster a wild and colorful personality. I can assure you cows and pigs have personalities, like, scientifically speaking.