I've gone grouse hunting a few times, a completely unnecessary activity that my friends and I justified as a "fun way" to get meat that we could otherwise get from a store. As someone who really enjoys and is pretty good at recreational target shooting, I had a great time and never even thought of those birds as anything other than targets, and then meat. It was pretty fucked, in retrospect. :im-vegan: now.
I have a friend who keeps trying to convince me that a deer hunt would be a good way to "ethically" supply myself with meat. I could probably find and shoot a deer. I have plenty of equipment, and family members who would be happy to take me out. It would provide enough meat that would last me months back in my carnist days. But I don't want to. I can go camping and shoot at stuff without killing anything. Clay pigeons are just as fun as the real thing.
When I was a kid my uncle used to take me crabbing every summer and that was just miserable. He'd dump the crabs out into the canoe to scare me and my cousin and I was always worried they were gonna pinch me. Then he would cook them alive, and even as a kid I thought that was really fucked up.
Yeah grouse have it pretty rough already with their habitat being destroyed by mines and pipelines. I definitely challenge the idea of "ethical" meat. In fact I think all meat is unethical. But so is a ton of other shit we all do on a daily basis. That sounds a bit :very-intelligent:
I'm just not really focused on meat as much as I am the overall safety of my immediate community. I have a lot of vegan friends and family, they are all mostly cool with my hunting, and we talk about food systems and mostly agree that hunting is way better for the environment, and while it's horrible to kill an animal anyway, the conditions in a factory farm are hell.
Online though, a lot of it is performative individualism, so I do my own performative individualism by reducing my reliance on farmed, processed, and transported foods.
I've gone grouse hunting a few times, a completely unnecessary activity that my friends and I justified as a "fun way" to get meat that we could otherwise get from a store. As someone who really enjoys and is pretty good at recreational target shooting, I had a great time and never even thought of those birds as anything other than targets, and then meat. It was pretty fucked, in retrospect. :im-vegan: now.
I have a friend who keeps trying to convince me that a deer hunt would be a good way to "ethically" supply myself with meat. I could probably find and shoot a deer. I have plenty of equipment, and family members who would be happy to take me out. It would provide enough meat that would last me months back in my carnist days. But I don't want to. I can go camping and shoot at stuff without killing anything. Clay pigeons are just as fun as the real thing.
When I was a kid my uncle used to take me crabbing every summer and that was just miserable. He'd dump the crabs out into the canoe to scare me and my cousin and I was always worried they were gonna pinch me. Then he would cook them alive, and even as a kid I thought that was really fucked up.
Yeah grouse have it pretty rough already with their habitat being destroyed by mines and pipelines. I definitely challenge the idea of "ethical" meat. In fact I think all meat is unethical. But so is a ton of other shit we all do on a daily basis. That sounds a bit :very-intelligent:
I'm just not really focused on meat as much as I am the overall safety of my immediate community. I have a lot of vegan friends and family, they are all mostly cool with my hunting, and we talk about food systems and mostly agree that hunting is way better for the environment, and while it's horrible to kill an animal anyway, the conditions in a factory farm are hell.
Online though, a lot of it is performative individualism, so I do my own performative individualism by reducing my reliance on farmed, processed, and transported foods.