• ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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    7 months ago

    "Unlock" aka just steal like we did Afghanistan's emergency fund. Well, if the US government wants to speedrun de-dollarization by demonstrating to the world why you shouldn't bank with them, I'm not gonna interrupt them while they do it.

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        Pretty sure there's a word for reallocating someone else's shit without their permission.

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            7 months ago

            The oligarchs that run my capitalist shithole have stolen money from the oligarchs that run another capitalist shithole, and the dumbest of the common people in my capitalist shithole, where the water is routinely toxic to drink, are celebrating as if it's somehow a win for them too.

            • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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              7 months ago

              That explains it. You don't know what it's like to live outside of a shithole. How could you? Every time an oligarch is taken down, it's a win for society.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                7 months ago

                That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

                A) There is no society. Margaret thatcher said as much when she started mass murdering poor people with a pen

                B) Actually no, its bad when an oligarch get eaten by another oligarch and not by the people, because then you have one oligarch with twice the power and no competition. You're like a dirt-covered medieval peasant celebrating that your gout-ridden pedophile king has stolen the treasure hoard of another gout-ridden pedophile king.

                "My local oppressors are winning their game against their overseas rivals, this means I'm winning too!" Bro you're not even on the team, you're the ball.

                • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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                  7 months ago

                  So you consider Margaret Thatcher to still be an authority. Since you argued that less Oligarchs is worse, then what is the adequate number of Mega-rich oligarchs you want to live with?

                    • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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                      7 months ago

                      So we come back full-circle and now you agree with me. Less oligarchs is better and the only way to ensure that there are less is by nationalizing and reappropriating their assets.

                      It's not my fault you don't understand how to formulate a coherent, and logical argument without resorting to name-calling.

                      • Gaia [She/Her]@lemmygrad.ml
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                        7 months ago

                        If oligarch A has 1 genocide, and oligarch B has 2, if oligarch B takes oligarch A's genocide, how many genocides are there? Please see me after class

                        • NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml
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                          7 months ago

                          One would arguably call that a strawman since I never brought up nor commented on the subject of genocide. That is, if I really was your intended audience.

                      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                        7 months ago

                        The only way

                        Lolgui-better

                        But damn I got reddit loser bingo. Sure man, enjoy "your" victory over the wealthy.

                        Don't forget to pay rent next week.

  • context [fae/faer, fae/faer]
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    7 months ago

    seems like legitimizing the outright theft of foreign assets is going to give billionaires around the world some second thoughts about the security of their dollars held in u.s. banks

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          Oh no losing access to economies that are going into a deep recession, how horrible. Meanwhile, western capital will quickly find its way to places like China where there is actual economic growth happening. Which in fact is already happening https://english.news.cn/20240411/07321170aa0944d4a588a4de0d8beac2/c.html

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        No, the point is that this move undermines western financial system because billionaires all over the world will realize that if they or the government of their country runs afoul of the west, then their assets will be stolen. Meanwhile, freezing and seizing the assets of Russian billionaires amounts to the west doing capital controls for Russia. This would've been a very unpopular move if the Russian government imposed such controls, but the west decided to helpfully do that themselves. This forced Russian oligarchs to invest domestically resulting in Russian economy growing faster than the west now.

      • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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        7 months ago

        No defending Russian capitalists here, I want them all to be stripped of their wealth and the whole Russian state dismantled and replaced by a democratic socialist one. Those rich Russians should be eaten.
        But the fact that the Russian state currently is letting their money get stolen (which they knew would happen when they started this war, and those capitalists knew would happen when Russia started this war, which is why they were begging to avoid it) shows that they aren't oligarchs.
        Only the countries stealing this money has oligarchs. And this is also evident by the fact that the money is getting stolen, since it's hurting western governmental institutions. The world's trust in the western system is being traded for more money to the capitalists.

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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    7 months ago

    I'm so glad they finally did it because we'll finally be able to put the narrative that Ukraine is losing because additional 61 billions wasn't allocated to bed.

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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      7 months ago

      It will also destroy the last credibility US financial system have, piss off Russian capitalists and make them invest in the west even less. Win/win/win.

      Worse part is that will give maidan regime some more time to push even more Ukrainians into the grinder.

      • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        Russia's GDP is dwarfed by the West. If Russian investors weren't put off by having assets frozen when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022, they're unlikely to care about some more weapons. After all, the Russian people have seen many years of conflict. The rich are going to care about their hoards, not about the "special military operation."

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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          7 months ago

          If Russian investors weren’t put off by having assets frozen when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022

          They already were, why they would even put more money there when they are getting frozen, but as long as their funds are only frozen, they could still have hope that the entire issue gonna get resolved one day and they will get it back. If the money get confiscated, that's entire another situation.

          Russia’s GDP is dwarfed by the West

          Muh GDP!

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            7 months ago

            Sending Ukraine a hundred shipping containers full of bored apes and overleveraged housing portfolios to fire at the Russians, we'll show those fucks what a properly huge GDP can do.

        • Aria@lemmygrad.ml
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          7 months ago

          The Russian capitalists did hate this. This war is incredibly unpopular among Russian capitalists.

          What PolandIsAStateOfMind is saying is that among those who were on the west's side while still living within the Russian economic system, more than before will flip to embracing Russian finance, because their money will be irretrievable lost to western thievery. As long as the money hasn't been spent, there's a possibility that they'll stick to liberal principles of private property. That means returning the money after the war. It's naïve because the west already stole Afghanistan's money as retaliation for Afghanistan winning the war against the USA.

          But some Russian capitalists might've been holding out upon the belief that the west's racism was why they would steal Afghanistan's money, but not do the same to white and west-worshipping capitalists oppressed by Russia's state-oriented actions.

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          7 months ago

          The rich are going to care about their hoards, not about the "special military operation."

          Then why is Ukraine losing?

          • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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            7 months ago

            I don't see where the question comes from. There are other driving forces in Russia behind the Ukraine War.

      • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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        7 months ago

        A day over a hundred years in the past that has no modern relevance. This is just the pigeonhole principle in action. If we avoided doing anything on a day where a villainous person did something vaguely of note, there would be no days left to do anything.

          • pingveno@lemmy.ml
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            7 months ago

            It's just math. There are only 366 possible days in a year. You're going to wind up with plenty of coincidences according to the pigeonhole principle. George Takei and Mike the headless chicken are both April 20 births. If they had passed this bill in a few days on the birth of Karl Marx (May 5), would that have been an endorsement of communism? No. The US Congress has business to do, and it isn't going to halt everything because Hitler got born. Let the neo-Nazis care about Hitler's birthday.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              7 months ago

              you're right there are just so many weird coincidences, like this one for example https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/10/16/the-u-s-did-not-defeat-fascism-in-wwii-it-discretely-internationalized-it/

      • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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        7 months ago

        It's true, I still remember when the rest of the world put those heavy sanctions on us for our barbaric and genocidal invasion of Iraq. It was tough, but that was the day I learned that international law is definitely a real thing.

  • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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    7 months ago

    Might as well have that over to some us ghouls in exchange for some old-new-stock weapons that will only prolong the suffering of ukrainians