• PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Macron week ago: SEND TROOPS TO UKRAINE

    Macron now: maybe better distance ourselves from the USA

    Is anyone even taking this guy seriously? I mean i kind of understand he will say anything at all that have a slight chance of lessening the internal contradictions in France, but please tell me not even liberals have memory this short?

    • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
      hexagon
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      5 months ago

      To be fair, maybe he actually thought that US would back his idiotic plan, and when was told to go pound sand that's where he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.

      • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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        5 months ago

        he flipped to US is unreliable narrative.

        Here he is saying it five months ago: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-china-america-pressure-interview/

        In March 2022: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/macron-distances-himself-from-us-biden-calling-putin-a-butcher/2547489

        In Sept 2020: https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-europe-dependency-us-arms/

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
          hexagon
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          5 months ago

          Fair enough, it's not the first time he's made noises like this, but US not backing his hare brained scheme is likely the reason behind the latest outburst.

          • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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            5 months ago

            It's not an "outburst", it's his consistent line. He's staking his career on this "autonomous Europe" bet

            https://web.archive.org/web/20230531170024/https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20230411-president-macron-to-visit-netherlands-amid-row-over-china-comments

            https://web.archive.org/web/20230608023631/https://www.politico.eu/article/74-percent-of-europeans-agree-with-french-president-emmanuel-macron-on-china-us-defense-report-shows/

            • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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              5 months ago

              Except the effect of his "autonomous Europe" policy is Europe being more and more dependent and more and more sabotaged by USA. Sure, Germany have more to say about it and they are gargling on US boot totally lately, but France influence is almost as big.

              I guess they had a decent shot at it in the last two decades, but they blew it completely, and considering what Hollande and Merkel did with Minsk agreements, maybe they were never really intended to do it anyway.

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
              hexagon
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              5 months ago

              There's a big difference between rhetoric and policy. The policy Macron is pursuing is ensuring the opposite of independent Europe.

      • Maoo [none/use name]
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        5 months ago

        No he's just inconsistent, trying to appease different audiences.

    • mathemachristian [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Its the same eu army back and forth that has been going on since november 2012 i think, its just a talking point to further that goal.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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        5 months ago

        He did talked about sending French troops, but that move only really benefits USA. If he wanted to distance France from USA he should first and foremost start with the most pressing things on US agenda - condemn Israeli genocide using all means available to sanction Israel, and at least try to act for a peace in Ukraine instead of constant stoking and escalating the conflict.

          • Maoo [none/use name]
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            5 months ago

            Because it alienates them from their vassalizing lords, the United States.

            Europe is currently stripping itself for parts for US interests. It is most in their interest to have an independent foreign policy but they're so stuck in their imperialist wager of extracting wealth from the poorest countries (using the US as the global seat for this regime) it's unimaginable to Euro liberals. They're now so culturally ties to absolute nonsense about "Western values" and xenophobia (racism) that they can't even bail themselves out of this situation.

  • frightful_hobgoblin@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    I'm sorta respecting Macron's drive to make Europe plough it's own furrow away from the USA.

    On the other hand, I don't trust Macron and his ilk to lead Europe. I trust them barely more than I trust the USA. I don't like Macron's approach to Ukraine or his domestic policies. At least he is cool about Taiwan tho.

  • Olifant@lemmy.ml
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    5 months ago

    Of course Europe should stop relying on U.S military especially when it's in danger of once again falling under the control of Putin's favourite useful orange idiot.

      • Olifant@lemmy.ml
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        5 months ago

        Conspiracy theory now? So the Ukranians are fighting imaginary invaders?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
          hexagon
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          5 months ago

          The regime the west installed in Ukraine is literally grabbing people off the streets to fight in this proxy war https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html