cross-posted from: https://lemmygrad.ml/post/4380117
CW: Contains the N-word- Chinese propaganda leaflets during the Korean War made specifically for black Americans soldiers (1950).
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Locking this thread due to pedantic debate pervertism. Do not equate these two words, it's not the same as the N-word and addressing it as such can be seen as unintentionally undermining the historical significance of the actual N-word in question.
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I read through twice, but unless I missed an instance— "Negro" is not the N-word.
It is a dated slur. It is one of the forms of the N-word.
The Chinese didn’t mean it as a slur back then since it was a common word to refer to black people, but nowadays, it is a slur.
Important context here is that it was not considered a slur at the time.
the CW is probably still warranted but I wouldn't say that it's THE N-word
As I mentioned previously: It is a dated slur. It is one of the forms of the N-word.
The Chinese didn’t mean it as a slur back then since it was a common word to refer to black people, but nowadays, it is a slur.
I forget which book of his, but Losurdo describes how during the war on Korea, as part of the "indoctrination" of captured US soldiers, they would just show them a map of US military bases in SE Asia. Most of them were stunned because they had no idea, and would sympathize with not wanting foreign military bases right on your borders.
I guarantee most anglos have no idea the sheer scale and number of US military bases outside their own borders.
Are we really, on hexbear, pretending that "Negro" is not a slur in American English in 2024. What are we doing here
True, but it was also the preferred term used by anti-imperialist black leaders for most of the 20th century. Read anything by WEB Dubois, Malcolm X, Robeson, Nkrumah, MLK, etc.
"One of the reasons that it is bad for us to continue to just refer to ourselves as the so-called Negro, that's negative. When we say so-called Negro that's pointing out what we aren't, but it isn't telling us what we are. We are Africans, and we happen to be in America. We are not Americans. We are a people who formerly were Africans who were kidnaped and brought to America. Our forefathers weren't the Pilgrims. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock; the rock was landed on us. We were brought here against our will; we were not brought here to be made citizens. We were not brought here to enjoy the constitutional gifts that they speak so beautifully about today. Because we weren't brought here to be made citizens--today, now that we've become awakened to some degree, and we begin to ask for those things which they say are supposedly for all Americans, they look upon us with a hostility and unfriendliness" -Malcolm X
Yep, but it is a dated slur in English . Poison means fish in French, but that doesn’t apply to English.
What is even your point? If a non-black person walks up to a black person in America and calls them a "negro", it is likely going to have the effect of any other slur. That's the reasoning for the content warning. The fact that it wasn't a slur at the time of its use in this leaflet is relevant for context, but in the context of our modern world, a lot of black people don't want to be called a "negro".
If OP changed the title from "the N-word" to "an N-word" would there be less pedants in this thread?
this is the only actual offensive thing in this thread holy shit? you really think that NO black person could come up with this on their own? like whats more likely that north koreans invented these talking points wholecloth? or that they got it from black anti imperialist in america? the implication that muhammad ali HAD to get his beliefs from north Korean pamphlets that very few people probably ever saw vs getting the ideas from his peers is extremely racist.
And they really let this mf make an account on hexbear smfh how is this so upvoted
Remember how I talk about settlerish biases on this fed...
N-word aside (which I believe the usage was common at the time so we could excuse it?), that's one increadibly based leaflet.
But at the same time, I imagine it wouldn't be a good idea for black soldiers to defect in the middle of the conflict.
How is literally every comment on this about how "Negro" is not the N-Word, how is that the only thing people are talking about.All but onebecause censoring negro in a historical document is the height of silliness and clickbaity.
Seriously, like are we gonna put a CW on the "I Have a Dream" speech?
