Good post by David Golumbia on ChatGPT and how miserable it all is :rat-salute-2:

  • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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    2 years ago

    Love that the people with Marx in their name never understand Marx.

    Moralism? Check. Luddism? Check. Failure to understand historical materialism and capitalism’s role in developing automation and production? Check.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      You're inventing specters of points I never made. The things I've said are a) Marxists should critique society and b) AI generation tech has no place in a post capitalist world.

        • ssjmarx [he/him]
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          2 years ago

          All technology is good all the time and it should always be adopted by society without restriction

          Capital Vol IV

          • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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            2 years ago

            Marx was famously against capitalism developing productive forces. He wanted to destroy it and live in 1800s technology forever, he was Amish

            • ssjmarx [he/him]
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              2 years ago

              Lemme try an analogy. Imagine that the capitalists invented a machine that makes sand, which they then sold as food. This machine would not be worth reproducing under socialism.

              • Spectre_of_Z_poster [they/them]
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                2 years ago

                If it’s as bad as you say, you have nothing to worry about. Human artists will keep their jobs because the sand gives no nutrients.

                The very fact that you are so scared of this technology belies your point that it’s totally useless and doesn’t produce anything of value.

                You are contradicting yourself. Is AI automation going to replace all the food production in the world with sand? That makes no sense and nobody will buy it or use it.

                If the AI and automation is a viable threat to you, that is because it is creating socially necessary outputs and you fear being replaced.

                • ssjmarx [he/him]
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                  2 years ago

                  You misunderstand. AI generation doesn’t meaningfully replace art, but it can substitute for art in contexts where volume trumps content, and if it is embraced on an industrial scale it has the potential to permanently damage art as an institution. Under capitalism, where raw output is a consideration of every artist who needs to be able to make a living, the faux art generated by algorithms will inevitably be mass adopted regardless of the damage it does to society.

              • drhead [he/him]
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                2 years ago

                AI chatbots can be useful for some things. They do have limitations though. Maybe if they could be connected to the internet without instantly turning extremely fascist as opposed to the normal, statistically average level of fascism it gets from a single dose of the internet (in addition to a number of other re-education measures), they'd be a lot more capable and could serve as a good alternative to search engines.

                Deep learning technology as a whole is something that you would absolutely fucking want if you had any intention of running a planned economy and has a number of other applications. These require the same tools and resources to produce and operate and operate off of similar principles.