• fifisaac@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Insane how people are defending this just because it harms the Tories. Do labour supporters have no principles at all?

    • mannycalavera@feddit.uk
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      4 months ago

      It's perfect for Labour. They get to shower Rishi in shit until the general election and then quietly deselect her or move her aside for an actual candidate. Why wouldn't you?

      • fifisaac@lemmy.ml
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        4 months ago

        Principles

        Maybe its hard for the current labour party to understand that, but the party of the workers should not welcome hardcore right wingers no matter what the circumstances are

        • mannycalavera@feddit.uk
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          4 months ago

          Principles

          but the party of the workers should not welcome hardcore right wingers no matter what the circumstances are

          I think you've got principles and policies mixed up. What you've described is a policy.

          A principle for a party of workers might be: To champion workers rights for the betterment of society.

          A policy for that principle could be: to not accept right wing nutters into your party because they are inherently anti worker.

          But equally another policy could be: publicly humilate incumbent anti worker government in an election cycle by accepting a defector from their party knowing full well it will be temporary because they're standing down in the next election.

          In a crucial election year one policy is infinitely better than the other.

          • fifisaac@lemmy.ml
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            4 months ago

            This government don't need any more humiliation, this only humiliated Labour by having a former member of the government be allowed to sit among them

            • mannycalavera@feddit.uk
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              4 months ago

              That's not how the news cycle sees it. If we are to believe the left wing rhetoric that the entire media is against Labour always and forever then the media proclaiming a win for Starmer and a humiliation for Sunak speaks volumes. And that's what most of the electorate will see as well.

            • frazorth@feddit.uk
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              4 months ago

              There are two points here, and I'm going to sidestep whether her joining Labour is a good idea and focus on the other.

              This government don't need any more humiliation

              I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with this. We have seen repeatedly that people's memories are like goldfish. You have to keep it up for an extended period to stick, otherwise we will end up with the news cycle burying positive news for boosting the Tories.

              All it takes is a bad angle of a bacon sandwich, and the press vultures will completely blow up any negative thing they can to derail Labour.