Imagine this: you’ve “dated” 600 people in San Fransisco without having typed a word to any of them. Instead, a busy little bot has completed the mindless ‘getting-to-know-you’ chatter on your behalf, and has told you which people you should actually get off the couch to meet.

The memes are becoming real. omori-manic

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Oh it's horrific in Eclipse Phase. What happens when you turn your mind in to a stream of ones and zeroes while nanites scrub you out of the brain you were in? Is whatever is downloaded at the other end really you? What if your transmission is corrupted in transit? What will be left of you? What if someone intercepts your transmission, instances a copy of you, hacks in to your mind and changes your personality, then sends the modified you to the end destination with no one the wiser? Eclipse Phase is very emphatically a cosmic horror story.

    • emizeko [they/them]
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      2 months ago

      Altered Carbon has a lot of the same weird issues. although I enjoyed it, it kinda handwaves over them

      EDIT: I don't remember well enough, I think the problems are fundamental to transfer of consciousness and fwiw you have to make some choices to bridge those contradictions. I'll have to re-read it to articulate it, so I'm striking it.

      • StalinStan [none/use name]
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        2 months ago

        I feel like the addressed it pretty head on. Every copy of you is equally you. That is the materialist explanation we would expect.

        • emizeko [they/them]
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          2 months ago

          I've only read the first book, I should re-read it but I remember having some problems with the way the backups worked. good story though

        • HexBroke [any, comrade/them]
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          2 months ago

          Isn't the materialist explanation that you die every time but it doesn't matter because the 'you' doesn't really exist?

          • StalinStan [none/use name]
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            2 months ago

            Kinda. Once your brain is copied to a chip yeah. After that once it is just a pattern of data then it is just as continuous as you perceive it to be.

            • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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              2 months ago

              Yeah i'm not sure if "losing continuity of consciousness means you died" is a cultural thing that can change or what. Bc people do lose continuity all the time when they black out, go under for surgery, get concussed, and so forth. Subjectively when you come to you feel like you're the same person and continuity is maintained, and people don't perceive themselves to have died. But is the mind that boots up after surgery the same mind that was shut down? It gives me the willies.

              • boboblaw [he/him, they/them]
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                2 months ago

                people do lose continuity all the time when they black out, go under for surgery, get concussed, and so forth

                Or sleep. It can't really be avoided.

      • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        It's funny because you linked to the episode which demonstrates very conclusively that being Transported doesn't even break continuity of consciousness as you stay aware through the entire process and even "see" subspace in the limited capacity your energized pattern can perceive things

        • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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          2 months ago

          Yeah, Star Trek gets real goofy with it. You don't get broken down and re-constructed, you get turned in to, idk, some weird energy being for a bit then turned back to normal matter at your destination.

        • NephewAlphaBravo [he/him]
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          2 months ago

          I mean yeah, but we only know he was wrong because of omniscient TV plot contrivance

          He was right to not trust the soma machine

          • FourteenEyes [he/him]
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            2 months ago

            If there's anyone we should take cues from it's the guy who made holograms of his co-workers to act out power fantasies with and presumably fuck sometimes

    • Babs [she/her]
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      2 months ago

      I'm gonna clone your ego into a bunch of catfish and do a roko's basilisk on you.