Settlers are not innocent. They benefit from an apartheid state and almost all adults in Israel are part of the IDF. Only children are innocent in the Zionist state.
we can choose where and when we are born, gotta do with what we were given by the lottery of life. children doesn't have cognitive ability to properly understand the world around them, so they are innocent. adults tho, they have cognitive ability to understand, and if they consent with the status quo being apartheid and ethnic cleansing, they are not Innocent.
I agree a bit that some people’s rhetoric is imprecise and can turn people off who might otherwise be convinced. What we should be doing is debunking the idea that hamas targets civilians, pointing to the fact that at least 90% of the people killed on October 7 were actual IDF combatants.
Edit: when people have moral disagreements with us we should not simply spit in the face of their morals (assuming they’re salvageable), because while morals are inherently subjective it is not hard to convince most people that communism is most moral. Maybe I’m an opportunist, but tell people what it takes to draw them in to socialism.
Even if the non-combatant non-Palestinians who were killed were actually the majority and they were killed by Hamas, it would still be their fault to a varying extend. We have:
People who consciously decided to be colonial settlers and gladly accepted to occupy a Palestinian house just a few kilometres away from the Gaza fence.
People who had previously supported Israel and its armed thugs, who once were armed thugs themselves, and who decided it would be an excellent idea to run out of buildings and run towards said armed thugs, thinking they'd save them.
People who consciously decided to attend a music festival right next to the world's largest concentration camp.
EDIT: Also, look for no further proof of Hamas' and Hezzbolah's moral code than their battle videos. Firstly, their transparency is unparalleled compared to any other armed force in the world. Secondly, they film almost everything, and they don't do it "for propaganda" but for posterity, since everyone ignores their struggle and successes otherwise. Thirdly, their videos are easily verifiable, since they include precise location and dates. So what do these videos show? Exclusively fighting against military targets, ambushing soldiers, attacking bases or destroying military vehicles. Even from just the news, we know they never target civilian centers. So fuck this narrative
Liberals love to hand wring about the ethics of armed resistance but when an actual genocide is going on they can't stop themselves from supporting it. I heard Biden was "pissed of" with Netanyahu behind closed doors before shipping another $1b in weapons.
Having said that, almost everyone that was killed was a member of the armed forces. A good portion of the rest were proven to killed by Israeli friendly fire. Many of the hostages themselves have been killed by the bloodthirsty IOF since then.
and having said all that, settler-colonists that have actively invaded and occupied other people's land do in fact deserve at the very least express deliverance to face eternal torture in hell
also framing the conversation like "do you condemn hummous" and not "do you condemn 70+ years of Israeli occupation and apartheid" really says a lot
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Settlers are not innocent. They benefit from an apartheid state and almost all adults in Israel are part of the IDF. Only children are innocent in the Zionist state.
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They cannot choose to leave. And they don’t have a developed enough brain to consent, and they are not part of the IDF.
we can choose where and when we are born, gotta do with what we were given by the lottery of life. children doesn't have cognitive ability to properly understand the world around them, so they are innocent. adults tho, they have cognitive ability to understand, and if they consent with the status quo being apartheid and ethnic cleansing, they are not Innocent.
Bloodthirst is unbecoming of a communist. The children do not choose to be born there to those parents, they are innocent full stop.
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Man shut the fuck up
ass.
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I agree a bit that some people’s rhetoric is imprecise and can turn people off who might otherwise be convinced. What we should be doing is debunking the idea that hamas targets civilians, pointing to the fact that at least 90% of the people killed on October 7 were actual IDF combatants.
Edit: when people have moral disagreements with us we should not simply spit in the face of their morals (assuming they’re salvageable), because while morals are inherently subjective it is not hard to convince most people that communism is most moral. Maybe I’m an opportunist, but tell people what it takes to draw them in to socialism.
Also that the majority of innocent deaths were caused by Israeli gunships firing on crowds at the concert.
The settlers were not innocent. They signed their own death warrants by occupying Palestine.
The majority of people killed were indeed combatants/ security forces. The list of names Israel released months ago proved that.
A sizeable portion of "civilians" killed were killed by Israeli fire
Even if the non-combatant non-Palestinians who were killed were actually the majority and they were killed by Hamas, it would still be their fault to a varying extend. We have:
People who consciously decided to be colonial settlers and gladly accepted to occupy a Palestinian house just a few kilometres away from the Gaza fence.
People who had previously supported Israel and its armed thugs, who once were armed thugs themselves, and who decided it would be an excellent idea to run out of buildings and run towards said armed thugs, thinking they'd save them.
People who consciously decided to attend a music festival right next to the world's largest concentration camp.
EDIT: Also, look for no further proof of Hamas' and Hezzbolah's moral code than their battle videos. Firstly, their transparency is unparalleled compared to any other armed force in the world. Secondly, they film almost everything, and they don't do it "for propaganda" but for posterity, since everyone ignores their struggle and successes otherwise. Thirdly, their videos are easily verifiable, since they include precise location and dates. So what do these videos show? Exclusively fighting against military targets, ambushing soldiers, attacking bases or destroying military vehicles. Even from just the news, we know they never target civilian centers. So fuck this narrative
Ignoring this category is a gift to Zionists
Liberals love to hand wring about the ethics of armed resistance but when an actual genocide is going on they can't stop themselves from supporting it. I heard Biden was "pissed of" with Netanyahu behind closed doors before shipping another $1b in weapons.
Having said that, almost everyone that was killed was a member of the armed forces. A good portion of the rest were proven to killed by Israeli friendly fire. Many of the hostages themselves have been killed by the bloodthirsty IOF since then.
and having said all that, settler-colonists that have actively invaded and occupied other people's land do in fact deserve at the very least express deliverance to face eternal torture in hell
also framing the conversation like "do you condemn hummous" and not "do you condemn 70+ years of Israeli occupation and apartheid" really says a lot
you're not supposed to just repeat shit reactionaries say in this subreddit don't take the name literally