Well, regardless of what you think of their politics, that's a huge loss for a country with the position Iran is in right now. I hope they manage to keep calm and prevent foreign shit starting.
It's mind boggling to me that lemmygrad is the only place I've yet seen anyone show some sort of respect for a world leader dying in a violent accident. Everywhere in the media and online all I'm seeing is people glad he's dead. As if he's ever done anything to any of us to deserve that.
There's a pretty long list of other world leaders who if they went out violently like this, I'd be all ripbozo smoking on the prez pack. Unfortunately, Raeisi is not one of them.
I likewise wouldn't be too fussed over most other world leaders going out in a similar fashion, for sure. But not for ones that actually happen to be on the right side of history.
Wasn't he pretty involved in the suppression of women? All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran
I can understand people feeling concern for Iran's people and trajectory during a tumultuous time like this, but I don't think anyone should feel bad he's gone. He wasn't a good person
That an interesting way of looking at it. If you can find any purity argument for why a politician wasn't progressive (he wasn't btw) then it's a good thing for them to just go up in a fireball. Politics by process of elimination! Say, Yemenis invited Jackson Hinkle to a Zoom conference. Maybe they should go die, too, because they're more backward than you and the removeds got to them first! Hell, my favorite Burkina Faso reporting account randomly veers into Christian grimposting about gay people (me).
Just ignore all context for why people are nervous about this in the first place (Iran is playing a critical role in breaking the illusion of US hegemony and this could even be a pointless assassination)! Woo hoo! Billionaire down!
It's not like this is going to make the political situation better in Iran if you view it that way. Now he will be memorialized for dying in the midst of a great struggle.
You may be misreading my post, I'm not celebrating his death, only questioning why leftists are seemingly mourning his death outside of the impacts it could have to Iran
My point was seeing it as something like the death of Putin on a smaller scale: aware it will cause internal and external political ripples which could be bad for the people but not someone we should be mourning
Go ahead and find any other president out there who has firmly spoken out against the Zionist entity like he has and shown as much support for the Palestinians, and who have actually executed military strikes against the occupier towards that end. That alone is respectable enough to make any sensible person feel bad to see him go.
Maybe, before I just read it like you were taking everyone reflecting on the timing of this and Iran's unusual place as a reactionary govt put in a broadly progressive position in the international struggle, especially the decolonization of Palestine, as making a knee jerk reactions here. Especially with the way you're casually feeling out how amenable this chat is going to be to Iran regime change posting today. (Genocide's still going, try again later.)
I would imagine people are disturbed by this because he was a man who many see as an ally in the Palestinian struggle for decolonization even if they disagree with him on hundreds if not thousands of points which would be deemed heretical in Iran.
All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran
I don't know where you've read that but i think you're about to find out that that was a lie when you see the size of the crowds that will come out to mourn him.
The crowd? You mean the conservative basijis? Literally everyone I have been interacting with has been happy
Or some people are mourning the other dudes that died, because it wasn't just Raisi, the councilman of east Azerbaijan province also died amongst others
I just don't understand what there is to be happy about. Who exactly are these people that you "have been interacting with" and what do they think that this will achieve?
This won't achieve anything, but people generally disliked him and so are happy he's gone
I'm personally happy I don't have to endure the rest of his term and a possible second term (although very unlikely), he was useless at best and had bad policy at worst
Thing is, being martyred in the line of duty tends to increase public sympathy for a figure. So even if you didn't like him, you don't objectively stand to gain anything from a tragedy like this. Whatever he may have done wrong will now be overshadowed. The pertinent question now is, do you believe that his successor will be more to your liking or less?
And regardless what you think of him or his party, any destabilization is risky at a time when a country is at war, and Iran frankly is at war and has been since the Islamic revolution. It may not always be openly declared but hybrid economic war and war waged through terrorist proxies is still war.
I understand that he may not have been the most impressive figure or had the best policies, but when enemies of Iran are openly celebrating you just need to ask yourself why that is and whether you want to find yourself on that same side.
Personally i'm not Iranian so i didn't have any emotional attachment to these people one way or another, but i just find it distasteful for a leftist to be happy over the death of major political figures in an anti-imperialist government.
He was just a political front man for his party. [...] Raisi dying is a nothingburger.
In that case there is no reason to be happy since his death is so inconsequential, yes?
Now obviously not everyone agrees with this. A lot of Iranians and people from other countries (those friendly to Iran at least) who have interacted with the former president (or his FM who also passed away) appear to have a different view than you, or at least that's what they say in public.
But one thing that i hope we can agree on is that what matters now is that the country has a smooth transition into the next administration with as little opportunity as possible for the enemies of Iran to interfere with the election process or to create chaos and unrest. And i hope that the state apparatus is prepared to fend off the hybrid attacks that will undoubtedly come during this transition period, since i am certain that the CIA has already put plans into motion to cause mischief as soon as the news broke.
Well, regardless of what you think of their politics, that's a huge loss for a country with the position Iran is in right now. I hope they manage to keep calm and prevent foreign shit starting.
It's mind boggling to me that lemmygrad is the only place I've yet seen anyone show some sort of respect for a world leader dying in a violent accident. Everywhere in the media and online all I'm seeing is people glad he's dead. As if he's ever done anything to any of us to deserve that.
There's a pretty long list of other world leaders who if they went out violently like this, I'd be all ripbozo smoking on the prez pack. Unfortunately, Raeisi is not one of them.
I likewise wouldn't be too fussed over most other world leaders going out in a similar fashion, for sure. But not for ones that actually happen to be on the right side of history.
Wasn't he pretty involved in the suppression of women? All I've read is that he generally wasn't well liked by any group of the citizenry of Iran
I can understand people feeling concern for Iran's people and trajectory during a tumultuous time like this, but I don't think anyone should feel bad he's gone. He wasn't a good person
That an interesting way of looking at it. If you can find any purity argument for why a politician wasn't progressive (he wasn't btw) then it's a good thing for them to just go up in a fireball. Politics by process of elimination! Say, Yemenis invited Jackson Hinkle to a Zoom conference. Maybe they should go die, too, because they're more backward than you and the removeds got to them first! Hell, my favorite Burkina Faso reporting account randomly veers into Christian grimposting about gay people (me).
Just ignore all context for why people are nervous about this in the first place (Iran is playing a critical role in breaking the illusion of US hegemony and this could even be a pointless assassination)! Woo hoo! Billionaire down!
It's not like this is going to make the political situation better in Iran if you view it that way. Now he will be memorialized for dying in the midst of a great struggle.
You may be misreading my post, I'm not celebrating his death, only questioning why leftists are seemingly mourning his death outside of the impacts it could have to Iran
My point was seeing it as something like the death of Putin on a smaller scale: aware it will cause internal and external political ripples which could be bad for the people but not someone we should be mourning
Go ahead and find any other president out there who has firmly spoken out against the Zionist entity like he has and shown as much support for the Palestinians, and who have actually executed military strikes against the occupier towards that end. That alone is respectable enough to make any sensible person feel bad to see him go.
I can understand that, but I'd be surprised to see an Iranian president who didn't speak out against the entity
He didn't do jack. He was a machine politician sock puppet, anything Iran did came from others, like generals, the political party, and Khamenei
Maybe, before I just read it like you were taking everyone reflecting on the timing of this and Iran's unusual place as a reactionary govt put in a broadly progressive position in the international struggle, especially the decolonization of Palestine, as making a knee jerk reactions here. Especially with the way you're casually feeling out how amenable this chat is going to be to Iran regime change posting today. (Genocide's still going, try again later.)
I would imagine people are disturbed by this because he was a man who many see as an ally in the Palestinian struggle for decolonization even if they disagree with him on hundreds if not thousands of points which would be deemed heretical in Iran.
People are mourning? I haven't seen it; even on Hexbear it's more of a shrug and "no helicopter" jokes
I'm not mourning his death so I cannot answer your question, sorry
Why did you mourn Matt Christman when he never did anything other than do drugs and rant on podcasts? Not to echo the contemptible Drew Pavlou...
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🤔 Well until I check that he is neither alive nor dead in superposition
I don't know where you've read that but i think you're about to find out that that was a lie when you see the size of the crowds that will come out to mourn him.
Edit: And as i predicted: "Millions of Iranians rallied across the country to pay their final respects to the late President Raisi."
The crowd? You mean the conservative basijis? Literally everyone I have been interacting with has been happy
Or some people are mourning the other dudes that died, because it wasn't just Raisi, the councilman of east Azerbaijan province also died amongst others
I just don't understand what there is to be happy about. Who exactly are these people that you "have been interacting with" and what do they think that this will achieve?
This won't achieve anything, but people generally disliked him and so are happy he's gone
I'm personally happy I don't have to endure the rest of his term and a possible second term (although very unlikely), he was useless at best and had bad policy at worst
Thing is, being martyred in the line of duty tends to increase public sympathy for a figure. So even if you didn't like him, you don't objectively stand to gain anything from a tragedy like this. Whatever he may have done wrong will now be overshadowed. The pertinent question now is, do you believe that his successor will be more to your liking or less?
And regardless what you think of him or his party, any destabilization is risky at a time when a country is at war, and Iran frankly is at war and has been since the Islamic revolution. It may not always be openly declared but hybrid economic war and war waged through terrorist proxies is still war.
I understand that he may not have been the most impressive figure or had the best policies, but when enemies of Iran are openly celebrating you just need to ask yourself why that is and whether you want to find yourself on that same side.
Personally i'm not Iranian so i didn't have any emotional attachment to these people one way or another, but i just find it distasteful for a leftist to be happy over the death of major political figures in an anti-imperialist government.
He was just a political front man for his party. I would be genuinely shocked if any of Iran's policies came from him.
You want to know where Iran's policies come from? Their party, the generals, Khamenei and the Sepah (IRGC).
Raisi dying is a nothingburger. If Rouhani had died, that would be huge news. If Khamenei dies, we will have a huge upheaval.
In that case there is no reason to be happy since his death is so inconsequential, yes?
Now obviously not everyone agrees with this. A lot of Iranians and people from other countries (those friendly to Iran at least) who have interacted with the former president (or his FM who also passed away) appear to have a different view than you, or at least that's what they say in public.
But one thing that i hope we can agree on is that what matters now is that the country has a smooth transition into the next administration with as little opportunity as possible for the enemies of Iran to interfere with the election process or to create chaos and unrest. And i hope that the state apparatus is prepared to fend off the hybrid attacks that will undoubtedly come during this transition period, since i am certain that the CIA has already put plans into motion to cause mischief as soon as the news broke.
It was pretty recently after the crash so I'm willing to believe it could be sensationalism
I just want you to take a look at who else is happy that these people have died and consider if that is the same side that you want to be on.
Again, not saying I'm happy about it
I don't see any reason why Qassam soleimani would be more liked than Raeisi.
I think a similar sized crowd will be show up