Two pieces of food for thought:

  • https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3198984/china-chic-trend-builds-young-peoples-patriotism-cultural-confidence (Chinese people starting to dress in the Han fashion again)

  • https://web.archive.org/web/20210210074724/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/10/world/asia/new-zealand-rawiri-waititi-tie.html (Māori politician kicked out of parliament for not wearing a necktie, turns into a whole dispute, eventually wins)


Now if you look at Chinese parliament, well I don't have to tell you what you'll see.

What would it take for Chinese politicians to start appearing in Han dress?

(not advocating for this, just a stray thought I had)

  • Dolores [love/loves]
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    2 years ago

    the problem of 'traditional dress' in class societies is you're inevitably dressing as the aristocrats who shackled your great-great-great grandparents

    like sure Ming mandarins were drippy as fuck, and confucian top-knots look very cool but either looking like a servant of the emperor or an adherent of the patriarchal tradition is not something a representative of an egalitarian party should be doing in an official capacity. this is why zhongshan suits and short hair were adopted

    if this feels like a chauvinistic position i'll remind you western liberal government officials also do not wear 'traditional' dress. the common ancestor of european formal wear is based squarely in the styles developed during the French Revolution. though recuperated & much elaborated on in the following centuries, the western business suit (that name's very much a reminder of the kind of class society we're under lol) is the consciously created revolutionary garb of the ascendant bourgeois---the real chauvinism is how western communists failed to bring a new style into being to inaugurate socialist revolution SMDH Stalin ya shudda brought back skirts or something

    • Vampire [any]
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      2 years ago

      Western communists arguably brought in military chich (certainly Latin communists)

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      the real chauvinism is how western communists failed to bring a new style into being to inaugurate socialist revolution SMDH Stalin ya shudda brought back skirts or something

      How would you go about doing this today? Assuming you get a revolution going and take over a country. What approach would you take to abolishing the use of suits given its existing normalisation and establishing something else?

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        2 years ago

        a) iterating on a particularly revolutionary group of peoples existing style---sans culottes made everyone stop wearing culottes through imitation---so like paris commune 2 a bunch of people dress like firemen after they were the ones who broke down the gates of parliament or something.

        b) ostentatious state experimentation, the funniest thing about weird and innovative styles from the 1790s-1814 is that more often than not they were dreamt up by some committee and forced officials to wear them, gaze upon these silly bastards

    • usernamesaredifficul [he/him]
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      2 years ago

      yeah that is the difficult question the cultural revolution was to answer: a lot of the symbolism of ancient china is symbolism of the class dominion of the rulers.

      I like to think of it as analoguous of when I used to live in the shadow of a castle. The castle might be my cultural heritage but it is a heritage of being an owned thing a serf and I want to escape that heritage. So I don't consider the historical art of my culture anything more than a shackle my ancestors had to wear