Caught him mention this here, decided to look up the project.
Seems neat. There's a few different routes that have been proposed over the years, changing with the political conditions I guess? Train gang will be fans of it.
For Bolivia I think the obvious merit is that it provides much more port access options for a landlocked country which is probably essential for maintaining their sovereignty.
Legit one of his greatest successes. Both for morale(s) and for economic growth and diplomacy
excuse me i have to fact check this it's bi-oceanic, not bi
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(evo is the bear btw)
I have environmental concerns but otherwise this is super cool. Do the Darien Gap next China and dunk on the US.
Yeah, uhh, Morales has already been criticized before for the environmental impact of his infrastructure projects. I support the concept but I feel like there’s a lot of rainforest in the way
It sucks but criticizing poor countries for their environmental record is often an excuse for rich countries to deny them any means to improve their situation. Unless those rich countries are willing to come in and pay to build and maintain a shit ton of renewable infrastructure, they don't have a leg to stand on.
I'm talking about internal criticism, from indigenous nations who generally support MAS and Arce. Despite their best efforts, developmentalism inherently deprives people who live on the land from which lithium and natural gas are extracted. While general standard of living may rise, there are still those impacted. Is this criticism in turn also manipulated for green imperialism, yes, of course, but it doesn't make it less true
Anez, briefly Bolivian president and fascist who got got (pictured) for trying to do a coup in 2019 (I'm severely oversimplifying it)
The pic in question is of her being arrested after she hid under a bed during a police raid lol
Probably Brazil and Argentina(for antoher route) political situation and not being in UNASUR.
Seems like a bit of a forlorn hope then, really. Trusting that the governments from three different countries will all want the railway for long enough to actually get the thing built is a tall order.
the real problem is that all of these projects have an easier and cheaper 'alternative' routes made up of roads instead of rail and those end up getting built instead of something actually useful
unfortunately the brazilian elites are incapable of learning and they'll keep exporting soybeans with trucks until the heat death of the universe. and i assume a similar short termism exists everywhere in this continent
unfortunately the brazilian elites are incapable of learning and they’ll keep exporting soybeans with trucks until the heat death of the universe. and i assume a similar short termism exists everywhere in this continent
Argentinian here, exact same situation. Everytime I think about all the petrol wasted in carrying those fucking beans by truck I wanna kill someone.
Btw, we used to have trains from Buenos Aires to Valparaíso.
the worst part is that the farmlords know this. of course they do. they are the ones with the beancounters who track how much soy is lost because the trucks shake a lot. but another problem is that if you have to go through a thousand little tolls and little local ports to get exports out the country, you're also financing a horde of petit politico dynasties. and hell, they'll use environmentalism as a mask for their agenda no doubt about it.
Been around beancounters all my life and they absolutely would love to have trains but the fucking neoliberals pulled all the copper from the walls decades ago to pay for the loans they took (in behalf of the State) from themselves at immense rates so they sucked up all reserves, and then any penny from the sell of any public asset, and that's why we don't any fucking train around. And THEN they took even more loans but from the IMF to immediately pay themselves.
If you wanna know the future of, say, the UK or Spain, just look at Argentina. And no, there won't be any tipping point where the populace seize the means of production as long as the US is still alive.
there's also, like, not all the farmlords are equal right? i don't know how consolidated land is in argentina. but brazil's agricultural frontiers are relatively recent. there's big farmlords and there's 'middle class' guys. the latter are the ones who'd love to see trains everywhere. the former have so much money to throw around they are already living their best life. why would they give a shit? so what you're left with is some politician saying 'well at least high value industrial goods can still use the roads' but of course they won't, the international market is a competition.
Exact same situation. Tho some IMMENSE farmlording companies just have their own trains, bought for pennies from the State (wink wink) in the nineties.
No they don't run passenger services, just cargo.
best part is when you go to an agri belt state and, strangely, the paved roads are all confined to around the governor's lands :pain:
Oh absolutely, the paved roads are shit everywhere (unsurprisingly) cuz trucks destroy them quickly and it's fucking expensive to repair them.
We are a fucking agricultural colony but we aren't even "good" at it BECAUSE of capitalism and extreme shortermism and incompetence from every single component of the State (big capital, small capital, finance capital, politicians, bureaucrats,and dipshit ñoquis from any ideological flavor). So we end up with capitalism administered by feudal factions of old-money, new-money, populist dipshits, and milquetoast dipshits, all dressed up as "public servants" and all scamming each other and yelling about trickle down economics in the year of our lord 2023.
It's the fredo genes I tell you, the incompetence runs in our veins.
Sike, Florida is probably the same
The big agro-oligarchs, yes. It's way easier to be a colonial administrator than to be the leader/powerplayer/burocrat of a real country.
South America is what would have happened if the Confederacy had won the Yank Civil War.
In ~1816, while discussing with people who supported independency from Spain, José de San Martín said "yo we need more national industry ASAP" and the agrooligarchs and dipshits who controlled imports from Buenos Aires Port pissed and moaned saying that would enanger Europe. They didn't want independency, they wanted to keep being a colony but able to trade with whoever they wanted.
ALL Argentinian history is a repetition of that same pathethic scene. Decade after decade. And in every turn the agrooligarchs and port dipshits (then replaced by finance capital) won.
unfortunately the brazilian elites are incapable of learning and they’ll keep exporting soybeans with trucks until the heat death of the universe. and i assume a similar short termism exists everywhere in this continent
the brazillian elite LOVE TO LOSE THEIR FUCKING SOY ON THE MOST DOGSHIT ROADS, IT is their favorite thing to do, like THEY WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY and still they don't wanna do trains it is fucking insane
it is so bad that all the worst people in the country didn't complain when bolsonaro was doing it on electoral crimes but are now that lula is doing some cool shit, we need to close the estadão editorial board, i can't live like this anymore
not really it is not easy but it is possible, like brazil, argentina and uruguay have a lot integration on their eletrical system for example, if you want to read about it this is from UFRJ which is like the second biggest university in brazil, it is not that hard to imagine this could be done as this would be in the interest of mercosul, it is hard, but like lula would want this, brazil biggest trade partner is china, and like just seeing how he is on the ukraine thing it feels like he wants to do some diplomatic deals, so could happen would love to go on a train trip through the andes that would be the coolest shit so i am hopeful
