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  • Awoo [she/her]
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    2 years ago

    You can not make this kind of claim with no sourcing and also this one

    People that were following events at the time can remember it. I will try to provide some perspective on this, but my list will not include everything, I don't have an existing list of events that is exhaustive and I hope you can understand that searches for anything about Xinjiang and China are completely polluted by utter garbage to the point that searching for this shit is near impossible. With that said I think I can cover enough to make it visible how serious things were getting at the start of crackdowns.

    January 2014, 11 militants dead in attempt to cross Kyrgyzstan border gone wrong

    March 2014Multiple attackers with knives. 29 dead at a train station. 137 injured

    April 20147 killed in shootout attempting to cross the border with weapons.

    April 2014 (2 weeks later) Bombing and knife attack at railway station in Xinjiang. 3 killed, 79 injured.

    May 2014 A few weeks later, 2 car bombings on markets, killed 43, injured 90

    June 2014 Quieter month, China sentence 9 to death and 81 more to prison for involvement in organising some of the previous attacks

    July 2014 37 killed by gang with knives and axes in Xinjiang

    September 2014 50 killed in series of multiple attacks (archive link for RFA fed written articles, unfortunately the best I can find with the shit way google works)

    October 2014 22 farmers killed in attack (this article also talks about some other attacks 2 days beforehand, gives some idea of what kind of things I've missed or not been able to find dedicated articles for, this stuff was easier to follow in real-time than it is to research now)

    November 2014 15 killed in another attack


    This is far from exhaustive. This is a mentally exhausting topic to research and I hope you'll forgive me for not really going the full length to show just how fucking bad things were. Consider these some of the big ones, the easiest to find in each month, but there were many more peppered in between them.

    This is what caused China to go into a mega crackdown on the region. Roadblocks, mass surveillance and police-state shit. Fuck loads of people were dying and the CIA work to pour these islamic fundamentalist separatists over the border from Afghanistan was genuinely causing an enormous issue.

    What followed this was several years of increasing their infrastructure to crack down on the region very hard. Followed by the final re-education program that involved some 1-2 million people undergoing the compulsory education programs 5 days per week (allowed to go home on weekends).

    This is what put a stop to the violence, and it was this final program that led to America no longer having any purpose for being in Afghanistan anymore, their ability to stoke extremism in the region had finally been completely eliminated. It took considerable time to build up to that though, the important year that began the process was the enormous violence of 2014.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        If someone wanted there is definitely at least twice this from the same year but would require wrestling with the nightmare that is our currently awful search engines.

        I miss when they were all incredibly good for a brief few years.

      • Awoo [she/her]
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        2 years ago

        It's not reckless. It's a pretty fair assessment in my opinion. If I were willing I could back it up but I'm afraid I'm simply not, it was tiring enough to quickly go through this and pull up these horrible events for each month.

        I want to clear up that I'm not saying that any of this is good. The process was definitely a highly repressive one and that is inarguable. What I am getting at here is that it is important to understand what was going on and where these terror attacks were coming from (CIA operating in afghanistan) to understand why China responded the way it did.

        Where am I getting the "it was the CIA in afghanistan" part from? Watch Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, Chief of Staff to the Secretary of State at the time, he talks about it from 20:53 to 23:12 (just 2 minutes).

        You can say this, but I don’t know if that’s even remotely true, not that things stopped happening, but that it was casual

        It wasn't casual lol. It was compulsory and there was resistance from some to begin with. Staying at the facility Monday to Friday was mandatory which certainly wasn't something people were happy about, but they were allowed to go home at weekends. There are some tourist interviews where this is discussed, I seem to remember and Israeli tourist who did a lot of content on his visit to Xinjiang but finding the exact video and part I would be looking for is a needle in a haystack.