I said I would describe a magic system in a daily megathread and forgot (well, lost all confidence in the idea). But maybe a thread would be better for this conversation.

I also don't wish to step on anyone's actual beliefs, though practitioners can comment if they have any ideas.

A couple of easy examples:

  • Harry Potter: In this, magic is largely inherited by individuals, though it can be randomly brought in and removed from bloodlines. It does seem to give some level of fatigue when used, but honestly not that much. It does create a caste of "superior" humans by birth, humans who could never be poor and can arbitrarily exact violence on lesser beings. Even their emotions are more powerful than ordinary humans. The books don't really touch on this and our PoV character is almost a "rightful king", inheritor of vast wealth and magical artifacts.
  • Star Wars: This magic is loosely based on buddhism, though the magic itself seems to be more related to living beings (e.g. a river doesn't necessarily have karmic value unless that's what the episode of The Clone Wars is about). Nonetheless, if you squint, you can still see some of the language of "the fundamental interconnectedness of all things". It does, however, seem to have a severe hereditary component. Sometimes, you are just a poo person. In my head canon, the Dark Side is the extreme expression of self, at some point even considering one's own emotions as separate to one's self, and the light side is an acceptance of being a part of the universe. However, I feel like "grey jedi" is more popular amongst the fandom. idk. For some reason, being either very connected or very disconnected from the universe gives you phenomenal magic powers to enact your will, as long as you were born with the power.

Suggest your own short description and maybe an analysis.

I have posted about my magic system before, designed for a little dieselpunk British occupation of the Ottoman Empire, where various explorers are doing biblical archaeology. The players (this was for an RPG) are working for a British industrialist/oil guy who wants to find the tree of life and live forever. Over the course of their adventure, they find various echoes of magic that used to exist in the world but is slowly withering away. The history of magic, they find, reflects their current situation where capital is slowly strangling the world and every bit of will and life from it.

Notes on my magic:

  • Magic comes from people and relationships between people.
  • What it specifically does for most people is nebulous. Probably something like making your hearth a little warmer or a sense of which soil is more fertile? Or maybe something relational? Haven't thought about it much.
  • Magic by the ruling class is stolen. They are born with their own, just like everyone else. However, through exploitation, violence, and trickery, they steal other people's magic (or souls). This gives them a lot more power to do mythological acts, live forever, and pass their stolen magic to their children.
  • To pass magic on to one's children, you have to have some yourself, so it can be nurtured and grow. However, once it has been stolen, this no longer happens. The world's population now is entirely populated by such descendants. The ancient gods that the players encounter refer to the players (and all modern people) as "hollow ones". In the gods eyes, modern people are useless for their goals of achieving immortality.
  • This is also an analogy of how many ancient cities are barely habitable now, as the over-farming has increased the salt in the land to the point where the cities collapsed. As once fertile land was over-exploited, so have people.
  • The gods, having exhausted their populations of magical energy, eventually turn on each other in a scramble to stay alive and in power. This allows the common people to drive them out, causing some of the large migrations of antiquity as the gods and their lackeys flee in one direction or another.
  • This history is eventually forgotten over thousands of years, but is still present in the surviving gods themselves sleeping to conserve energy, transforming themselves into stone or bronze statues or whatever, and some artifacts they've imbued with power and given to their lackeys.
  • The last most active god is Yahweh, who ate his wife Asherah as they fled south into modern Arabia.

I'm not sure if I want magic to return to the world at the end of the story, or the British benefactor to find the tree of life withered and broken. If it does return, it should be able to spread (somewhat thinly) throughout the world through non-exploitative relationships.

It is also very soul-like, but seems unnecessary for life as we know it.

  • JuneFall [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    Magic comes from people and relationships between people.

    The Commonweal might interest you, it got interesting magic systems.

    You write:

    Magic by the ruling class is stolen. They are born with their own, just like everyone else. However, through exploitation, violence, and trickery, they steal other people’s magic (or souls). This gives them a lot more power to do mythological acts, live forever, and pass their stolen magic to their children.

    This means that magic can be stolen from them, too. It also opens up the question if stealing it is a 1-1 relationship or if stealing reduces the magic they can wield? Maybe that factor diminishes the more (people or so) you steal from? That to "double" your magic potentially yourself and wield it directly you would have to control:

    • 6 people for example, to double your magic
    • 36 people to quadruple it (which would be quadratic, meaning you would need 50% more people)
    • 216 to get eight times the amount
    • and then you get into the thousands of people.

    Which would mean that people could always over throw the ruling classes, if they organize. This means that strong liches are actually relatively weak.

    It would also mean that evil people would have to delegate and have hordes of minions to profit from.

    Then questions of consent, will and coercion could pop up. Is stealing magic easier if people align with your views? Is manufacturing consent needed to give you magic efficiently and keep your life extension spells alive?

    If the magic is stolen can you give it in a 1-1 relation or is that diminishing, too?

    Is there a set upper limit of total magic in the world that gets split up or is every being a source of new magic (which would lead to industrial magic farming for the people who still carry magic).

    It does read as if magic is like a viral infection that gets transmitted through birth and that gets cured / vaccinated by being stolen.


    Questions:

    • do only humans or also animals have it?
    • the closer they are to humans or do shrooms also have magic?
    • what about the other hominids a couple of hundred thousand years ago?
    • if a statue can contain magic can I spread the magic by grinding it and having people sniffing it?
    • keepcarrot [she/her]
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      1 year ago

      Fundamentally, I wanted it to be an allegory for political power. A lot of it was written while I was dropping acid and reading Debt.

      I guess that probably excludes a lot of animals, orcas excluded. But hypothetically "the people" could always have taken it back. They just haven't, and a lot of the productive force and resources have been squandered by the gods. I don't know about snorting, but artefacts can return magic to the world, though the players won't really know that until the end. What they specifically do remains to be decided; the labour imbued in a sword is less productive than the labour imbued in a plough.

      I'd tie other properties of magic into that theme.

      • JuneFall [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        and reading Debt.

        Yeah I can relate to that.

        Wish you good luck and fun with the players :)