• aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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    1 year ago

    What the fuck is their plan if it’s to be barbarism and rampant climate change makes it unlivable?

    That's the reason Saoudi-Arabia is building NEOM (mostly known for the insane " the line ": a city which would be 170 kilometers long and 200 meters wide). By the end of the century, the east-coast of Saoudi-Arabia will be to hot to live. You should take that very literally: the combination of heat an humidity in summer will be so high, that every human being will die by just being exposed to it for a couple of hours. So it makes a lot of sense that they are building their largest infrastructure-project on the West coast.

    • TheCaconym [any]
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      1 year ago

      the combination of heat an humidity in summer will be so high, that every human being will die by just being exposed to it for a couple of hours

      To add to this: this already happens in parts of the globe (India for one); it still takes hours to actually kill so mostly mainly the old die from it thus far. Your body has exactly one way of cooling down naturally: evaporative cooling (state change is as an aside still the main way we cool down stuff technologically). If there is too much humidity, your sweat can't evaporate anymore.

      And yeah, they're basically attempting to build domed cities (I've always suspected these kinds of initiatives from the UAE to have a similar purpose); with a 35+ M population in Saudi Arabia I suspect most people would be left outside, though.

      • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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        1 year ago

        this already happens in parts of the globe (India for one)

        I don't think this is true. I've seen a similar paper like the one I linked, which claims that by the end of the century it will be the case in the Indus- and Ganges-region, and the same is said about the North China Plain, but I've never seen that, at the moment, those conditions exist. On the contrary: here' s a paper which claims that since a couple of years, the first emergence of them is measured for very, very short amounts of time.

        it still takes hours to actually kill so mostly mainly the old die from it thus far

        What the papers which I'm talking about say, is that there is a maximum capacity of heat and humidity which any person can take, that's a temperature of 35°C (identical to the temperature of your skin) and 100% humidity (or the equivalent: a slightly higher temperature, and a slightly lower humidity). Any person dies after 6 hours in those conditions, no matter how fit they are. The Persian Gulf and the most important agricultural regions of both India and China (combined population: around one billion people) will experience those conditions by the end of the century.

        Obviously, it's possible that old people, sick people and infants have already died from heat, but they can experience that in much less destrimental conditions. This happens in every severe heat wave. There's a qualitative difference with these "regular" deaths from heat, because I'm talking about a situation in which everyone dies.

        Your body has exactly one way of cooling down naturally: evaporative cooling (state change is as an aside still the main way we cool down stuff technologically). If there is too much humidity, your sweat can’t evaporate anymore.

        Since you're talking about the correct proces in the papers which I linked to, there are 2 possibilities: (1) you're mixing up two different phenomena (2) it's all happening faster than expected, like we often see with climate change, and in that case I'm very interested in your source.