https://yewtu.be/watch?v=plHRRFHZ_f0

Aka The U.S goes mask-off on the South China Sea, and Johnny Harris tries to equivalent China's actions to that of the U.S.

What can I say? On Harris himself, I suspect his moderacy is being used to co-opt a sort of good cop side of the pro U.S position, considering past videos. NED- National Endowment in Democracy, an international pro-U.S organization funded by the C.I.A to support color revolutions.

But on a more serious note: What do you suppose of the Philippine Sea debate, because I haven't gotten a clarified rationale and context on China's actions, from your side? And how would I counter claims of local Chinese aggression.

(reposted from r/Sino)

  • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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    1 year ago

    I would you to give me evidence that these countries are not simply passive allies.

    I mean even the Philippines, which, under Duterte's former term, have major things to lose if they take sides fully against China, considering their formerly friendly mutual economic relations, especially in the Belt and Road initiative, and considering the fishing claims as well. http://www.beltandroadforum.org/english/n100/2019/0428/c22-1336.html

    • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      I'm not sure I understand what you mean - in what possible way could allowing the most militant, warlike nation on the earth to base their offensive hegemonic operations out of your nation be passive? If there's a guy threatening to kick in your door and murder your family, would you consider your neighbor his "passive ally" if they let him build a hunting blind on their front lawn for the violent guy to hang out in?

      • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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        1 year ago

        I mean understandable, but what about the fishing and territorial rights claims in the South China sea, exactly, since I've heard about some lopsided marine "clashes" between local fisherman boats and Chinese navy ships? Edit: in relation to exclusive economic zones, https://peacepalacelibrary.nl/south-china-sea-islands (This also does note other countries' claims, which might rival bit of China's claims, including the second most expansive, Vietnam)

        For me, it doesn't seem as aggressive and intimidating as an issue, compared to the U.S setting up military practices and war games in front of China's shorelines, instead from rogue Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and other Pacific isles.

        Edit: Sorry, if this comment came in a rush.

        • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          It is in the US's interest to stoke discontent and rivalry between their vassal states and China, because a unified Asia would be able to resolve issues such as fisheries and territorial rights without US involvement. The presence of those bases means the US can respond/provoke/attack China easily - without those bases the US would be extremely limited in their access to the region except from carrier groups and extremely long flights with numerous in-air refuelings on the way there and back. The existence of those wargames is only allowed because of those bases.

          • Lemmygradwontallowme [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 year ago

            When I talk about the "clashes" though, I mean as controversial as this, for example https://www.npr.org/2019/06/29/737268828/chinese-trawler-hits-and-sinks-filipino-fishing-boat (Granted I don't know necessarily if this was a Navy ship or not, that did the hit-and-run on a fishing boat to sink, whether intentionally or not)

            and this https://youtu.be/U_d6vJ52RW4 ("China Coast Guard reportedly drives away Filipino fishing boat near Ayungin Shoal")

            I say this, because I haven't heard any reasoning or perspective from the Chinese Coast Guard, probably again due to media bias.

            I still think the damn U.S bases in the Philippines ought to go, since it only emboldens the United States and its allies to go on the offensive.

            • nat_turner_overdrive [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Well the first one is about a chinese trawler, so those are just regular chinese people who aren't acting in any official capacity. Doesn't really seem relevant - Americans in boats do dumb aggressive shit all the time. The second one is a blurry video without any real context of what might be a Chinese Coast Guard vessel easily a quarter mile away. I don't think there's any take-away from that video other than an allegation without any video proof. Also, hop into a fishing boat and get close to a US military vessel - they'll do more than putter around a quarter mile away from you, regardless of whose seas they're in.