solid analysis by a comrade

  • PZK [he/him]
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    I would think that budding leftists by now would know that voting for Democrats is NOT a counter to the Republican party, but rather it legitimizes the existence of the Republican position and acts as a cudgel against the left. These are both rightwing parties that will resort to the same tactics despite different rhetoric. Biden himself said "We need a Republican party, and it has to be strong." Democrats have proven themselves as people who do not reverse damage, they just delay it. They act as seat warmers until their bosses return (the Republicans) and take their seats back.

    For the record, I do vote, and I generally vote down ballot for Democrats, but I will under no condition vote for Democratic leadership I do not approve of. If the Democrats are going to pretend to be an opposition party, I am not going to let them be any more than that, and I will hold their feet to the fire promising them that they will never taste power if they don't make concessions to the left. I voted down ballot for democrats in 2020 but did not vote for Biden, I did a write in. If there is any way to nudge things electorally, that is how I tell the Democrats to "go fish". This strategy drives Liberals insane because it leaves them with no excuses and no options if they want more power. It also fires up opposition to the leadership in office that is just the normal political trend of the US. You can't keep teaching the American public that people like Biden is as good as it gets, and increasingly the Democrats are having a harder time trying to spin electoral losses as "being too far left" to their voting base.

    Had Biden lost in 2020 we would be sitting with a combined congress against the president, constant public outcry against the administration, and leftist spaces flourishing with the idea that the people demand new direction with the strong presence of an opposition party with no clear leader (as the same old answer just failed). This is why Liberals were really going crazy about Trump in 2020. They were terrified of this result. Not because of Trump but because of how much he fired up leftist populism in response to his leadership and policies. Him festering in the White House for 4 more years could have continued to lead to democratic sweeps around the country. By 2024 with no clear heir for the Republican party, we could have bullied the Democrats into pushing a more progressive platform to reverse the years of damage. Instead we got what is probably the worst result of all. Which granted, was just bound to happen because there is only one direction this country can go. Down.

    If you are going to pretend that "to protect Democracy you have to vote blue" then that just tells me democracy is dead anyway because you are saying there is no choice other than voting for the dueling bourgeoisie royal family that your might nebulously benefit from for a couple years. I won't vote as well if the person is truly a scumbag not fit for office. They call that "privilege". I call it standards.

    If one wants to rely on shaming someone as being privileged (how liberal of them, and which by the way never works), then maybe we should start making excuses for the lack of terror if things are indeed that bad. But continuing the believe that electoral process or the institutions of America are a path forward is delusional. You can't get to the moon on a sabotaged rocket.

    It is interesting how Liberals give themselves all kinds of rules that they operate under. One of them is: "The party is never wrong, it is always the voter." thinkin-lenin

    • Spaghettisprettygood [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      Letting Republicans win isn't going to allow the revolution be easier to achieve. Republicans have been sliding right on the fascism scale at a frighteningly quick pace compared to democrats.

      Remember the saying first they came for the communists? A communist revolution was not possible inside Nazi Germany, because fascism had more power and snuffed them out immediately. The same is going to happen to communists in the US with letting Republicans win, they are already paving the way by labeling democrats as communists.

      This is a very dangerous game being played by letting Republicans win. It could let Dems become more progressive to try to win voters or it could shift them more to the right to get more voters, either way it guarantees the more fascist party more power.

      • PZK [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        Please read my post. I still vote And if you consider that dangerous then maybe they should try to win my vote for once.

        • Mokey [none/use name]
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          1 year ago

          I mean that kind of assumes that they want to win or care if they do

          • PZK [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            The voters want to win, if the party doesn't they will find someone who does. But that requires people having standards and not just blindly voting bloo no matter who.

            • Mokey [none/use name]
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              1 year ago

              Im not really convinced by this, nothing would make liberals more happy than being fraudulently oppressed losers

              • PZK [he/him]
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                1 year ago

                Oh believe me, I am not standing here saying you have to vote. Not in the slightest.

                I vote in a manner that I feel is the most synergistic between what everyone wants to call "harm reduction" without betraying my values. American politics is so binary that I feel that trying to use it to stem the tide of right-wing extremism while trying to find ways to weaken the Democrats from within is the ideal approach. My view is keep them a headless opposition party that maintains as much legislative power as possible to counter any right-wing leadership. Let the Republicans be the face of everything that is wrong, and leave the Democrats unable to follow in their footsteps, but work against them.

                There is little to nothing you are going to accomplish electorally, but that little bit I still try to use and leverage. You can say it won't matter, but it won't stop me from trying. I am not advocating that others do the same or vote one way or another. My original post was a explanation of my position while issuing a takedown on the useless Liberals that have no plan or direction other than to be "not the other party".

                • Mokey [none/use name]
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                  1 year ago

                  Saying im not going to vote is the most harmful thing I can do to a liberal, even if I do vote i tell them I dont

                  • PZK [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    Very well. Keep up the good fight comrade. stalin-heart

                    Edit: I do also tell people I didn't vote for Biden and that is enough. My stepmother had an utter meltdown when I told her wasn't going to... which ultimately I didn't.

                • robot_dog_with_gun [they/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  There is little to nothing you are going to accomplish electorally

                  on a national level. You can easily egg the house of your city alderman if you don't like what he's doing and if you're lucky enough to have local comrades maybe you can do more than just keeping out as many christofascists as possible.

      • ThereRisesARedStar [she/her, they/them]
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        Youre not going to have a pleasant time around here if you lib out and also don't read the posts you're replying to.

        To point out a flaw in your post unrelated to not reading what the person you're replying to posted, the communists in Germany where crushed on the order of social democrats who were in many ways left of the democratic party. That is why we joke that Bernie killed Rosa. Historically both democrats and Republicans have implemented anti-communist measures.

        I would highly encourage you to read a marxist perspective on the lead up to Nazi Germany. I would also recommend "the economy and class structure of german fascism" while you're at it to understand the role of liberals in enabling fascism.