You all do realize that suburbs existed before the invention of the car right? American infrastructure is bad but it’s not irredeemable, the assumption that we can’t provide public transportation to these places because of a lack of resources is malthusian. And sure some places like the American Southwest and Florida are legitimately over human population carrying capacity due to climate change but in general the earth as a whole isn’t, and cities like Amsterdam are just as unsustainable as Miami since even though has one of those le epic reddit notjustbikes cityskylines approved infrastructure, both are below the sea level.
I think in general our message should be abolish the need to own the automobile, any measures meant to limit car use should target the rich before the poor. And that trains are good, and that a high speed train across the United States would be a rather popular project in the eyes of even the chuds. And by god stop calling for the suburbs to be razed, stop trying to be zoomer Robert Moses.
It . . . isn't anything like where you live. Why would you assume it was, repeatedly, up to and including this post? If you've only seen NYC in movies, Manhattan is the big, dense pointy place. It's not pointy from end to end, but as far as residences go, it's pretty much all apartments. Lots of people have written a lot about it and taken pictures of it from many different angles.
I don't mean physically. I mean financially in terms of ownership percentages, individual owners vs. corporate landlords vs. individual landlords. Clearly, the apartment building part has already happened, and happened a century ago, in Manhattan, but what are the percentages of new developments? What are the percentages of remodeling? What is in need of demolition? How active is the new real estate market, who does it primarily cater to, and how do those residents live and work?
But none of this addresses the actual concern here, which is that I fundamentally do not believe that rich people led consumer initiatives will change things for the greater populace, particularly when it is about forcing the wealthy into public spaces. But again, good luck with your initiative, hopefully it works out the way you want it to.
If you didn't mean physically, what did you mean when you said
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Why the continued ignorance? Apartments are going up all the time. Please learn about stuff before spouting off.
That was when I didn't know we were talking about Manhattan specifically. In the Midwest, that is definitely the strategy, either car-oriented suburbs or duplex housing. There is no escaping the sprawl, even when there are better and more compact public transit oriented development methods available.
That's great! Hopefully they are affordable. When I lived in Oakland, they redeveloped a bunch of downtown, but they made it all way outside the price range of anybody not making more than $100,000 a year combined income and now downtown is a comparable ghost town to what it was when I was younger, with people generally moving to the Oakland suburbs. The whole city has been ok in terms of growth, but what would have really given it a shot in the arm is cheap apartment complexes that allowed people to BART into SF or other East Bay places. But that was not what was developed.
Maybe NYC is completely different, you guys have the status of the Big Apple to draw in the wealthy people and you guys at least already have some higher degree of public transit in place to facilitate a car ban.
Actually, looking at the whole growth model there, damn a whole 33% of buildings built after 2000 with over 60% of them being 50+ occupancy. That's fantastic. And it certainty looks like there is a demand for it. You know what, fuck it, if I ever move there I'd canvas for this shit, there's some real potential here. I don't know if it will translate to other city real estate markets, but there is definitely something going on in Manhattan.
This is why I love this site. You did your research, we didn't have to go 13 more rounds and now I can get back to the Sopranos. It's something else there. I moved away when it was pretty shut down for covid, might be headed back up soon.
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Fuck you, asshole.
Where I live the population growth rate is double the state population growth rate. We are booming (at the expense of all the little rural towns around us, but still) but about 77% of the infrastructure being developed is 4-6 occupancy suburban houses and duplexes, with the rest being top 10% income bracket apartments. My point is that they are developing entirely around cars. You can't pass a popular ban on cars in the city here without first developing infrastructure that isn't car centric, and the only way to develop non-car centric stuff is through politics, and the political councils of my area are completely dominated by the real estate interest groups who like doing these large or expensive development projects because it makes them more money than catering to affordable apartment housing with good bus infrastructure.
Manhattan is taking a different development route, with their development focusing on 50+ occupancy buildings, all over the income spectrum, with an already in-place transit system. Therefore, it might actually be possible to push for a popular car-ban. An outside shot, but possible.