I wrote a joke answer because such comparisons are stupid. So what if China's model is better than USSR's, can it be copy-pasted onto the currently non-existent USSR? If USSR used China's current model back then, would the China in that version of history have developed as quickly as it did? How would such a model even look like when used by the USSR, such a question can only be answered by first analyzing the conditions of China and the USSR. Countries have relations with each other and different models will result in different relations.
Of course we can attempt to compare models/policies/theories using certain outcomes like per capita GDP/life expectancy/etc., but that doesn't automatically turn the winning model into a blueprint that everyone can use. This is why we emphasize that Marxism must be adapted to every nation's specific conditions, the process that links theory to praxis cannot be copied wholesale.
I occasionally see comrades debate about whether China should support political movements/revolutions in other countries, the answer is an obvious NO when you look at history. The CPC has had its own share of lessons from left-deviationists that follow the Comintern and Stalin. Mao Zedong wasn't always the revered leader as his emphasis was on peasants in rural areas, unlike the "classical" thought of cities and working class.
Even if you disregard history, foreigners are not as informed about local conditions as locals, so it would be arrogant for China to attempt to guide or lead the political struggles in another country. It's even more inadvisable when you consider the leftist infighting that exists in various western countries.
I don't think China's involvement in BRICS is a big role currently, the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is probably China's biggest international contribution in terms of common development for proletariats across the world.
Depends on what you mean by exporting revolution. I think the "exporter" should not be hierarchically above the local communist party, something like Comintern's leadership relation with respect to the CPC in the early years should be avoided as it will lead to many problems, like misunderstanding the local conditions. The CPC maintains relations with various parties (both communist, like Cuba's PCC and Russia's CPRF, and non-communist like Russia's United Russia party) on equal terms, that's probably good enough until international conditions change.
By exporting the Revolution, I meant exporting an armed Revolution by exporting weapons and military equipment and soldiers, the way China and Cuba were doing back in the day.
Can you explain where and when did China export armed revolution? If you are referring to Vietnam and DPRK, those were military aid to existing socialist states and not exporting armed revolution.
The first recruit outside of the ANC high command to be selected by Nelson Mandela to join the new uMkhonto weSizwe (MK) in 1961, Mlangeni was in the first group of six persons who went to China in 1962 for military training. China was the first country to accept MK members for training.
China’s involvement in Zimbabwe stretches back to the 1970s, when Beijing covertly supplied ammunition and financing to Mugabe’s guerrilla forces during the country’s war of independence. In the intervening years, China has continued to provide financial and political support to the African nation, investing extensively across a range of sectors and helping to develop key infrastructure projects.
I thought we were talking about socialist revolution, these are examples of military aid for independence and liberation of African countries. China is still training African soldiers today, are we seeing socialist revolutions anywhere?
The point of exporting weapons and training for soldiers was a socialist Revolution since these groups were communist parties or communist guerilla groups. The fact that socialism didn’t happen doesn’t mean that the attempt to export the Revolution was not there.
(1924-1965) USSR Amazing, China (Not enough data/ Civil War)
(1965-1980) USSR Good, China facing growing pains
(1980-1995) USSR Atrocious, China decent and rapidly improving
(1995-2010) Ex-USSR Disaster, China good but many problems remain
(2010-Present) Ex-USSR Horrific, China Amazing
Did I get the general comparison right?
I wrote a joke answer because such comparisons are stupid. So what if China's model is better than USSR's, can it be copy-pasted onto the currently non-existent USSR? If USSR used China's current model back then, would the China in that version of history have developed as quickly as it did? How would such a model even look like when used by the USSR, such a question can only be answered by first analyzing the conditions of China and the USSR. Countries have relations with each other and different models will result in different relations.
Of course we can attempt to compare models/policies/theories using certain outcomes like per capita GDP/life expectancy/etc., but that doesn't automatically turn the winning model into a blueprint that everyone can use. This is why we emphasize that Marxism must be adapted to every nation's specific conditions, the process that links theory to praxis cannot be copied wholesale.
I occasionally see comrades debate about whether China should support political movements/revolutions in other countries, the answer is an obvious NO when you look at history. The CPC has had its own share of lessons from left-deviationists that follow the Comintern and Stalin. Mao Zedong wasn't always the revered leader as his emphasis was on peasants in rural areas, unlike the "classical" thought of cities and working class.
Even if you disregard history, foreigners are not as informed about local conditions as locals, so it would be arrogant for China to attempt to guide or lead the political struggles in another country. It's even more inadvisable when you consider the leftist infighting that exists in various western countries.
So in your opinion China playing a big role in BRICS is enough of the role for the international proletariat?
Would you also say that the concept of exporting Revolution is just wrong?
I don't think China's involvement in BRICS is a big role currently, the Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) is probably China's biggest international contribution in terms of common development for proletariats across the world.
Depends on what you mean by exporting revolution. I think the "exporter" should not be hierarchically above the local communist party, something like Comintern's leadership relation with respect to the CPC in the early years should be avoided as it will lead to many problems, like misunderstanding the local conditions. The CPC maintains relations with various parties (both communist, like Cuba's PCC and Russia's CPRF, and non-communist like Russia's United Russia party) on equal terms, that's probably good enough until international conditions change.
By exporting the Revolution, I meant exporting an armed Revolution by exporting weapons and military equipment and soldiers, the way China and Cuba were doing back in the day.
Can you explain where and when did China export armed revolution? If you are referring to Vietnam and DPRK, those were military aid to existing socialist states and not exporting armed revolution.
When China trained the South African guerilla soldiers to fight and when they gave weapons to rebels to fight on Africa in general
Do you have any sources for this?
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/48-years-of-south-africa-china-defence-cooperation/
https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/africa/china-zimbabwe-mugabe-diplomacy/index.html
I thought we were talking about socialist revolution, these are examples of military aid for independence and liberation of African countries. China is still training African soldiers today, are we seeing socialist revolutions anywhere?
The point of exporting weapons and training for soldiers was a socialist Revolution since these groups were communist parties or communist guerilla groups. The fact that socialism didn’t happen doesn’t mean that the attempt to export the Revolution was not there.