This doesn't make any sense to me. I know they aren't Marxists, but the goals of communism are people-centric. We're trying to achieve a better society for all people, so why exclude certain groups from that?

  • ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml
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    Ultras miss one of the foundational aspects of Marxism in that completely derails their entire perspective and analysis.

    Socialist countries and their various leaders were ALL EXPERIMENTS.

    Missing this view in turn impacts why ultras are so hostile to the LGBT and hold the views that freagle outlined.

    One of the major things that sets us apart from fascists and liberals is that we do not have an idealized, cultish, worship of the past and our leaders. They all made mistakes, they all had misinterpretations, they were all human, and they were falliable.

    It is from this that me must not dogmatically cling to the exacts same views and Stalin, Castro, or Lenin, but instead take the successes of their experiments and build upon them while rectifying their mistakes.

    We must flow like water and adapt to changing times. Never ceasing to learn, grow, change perspective, or improve. Ultras refuse to do this and that is their downfall, because the material and social conditions that created past countries and leaders will never be replicated one for one, which is why we must forge our own paths, and build on the knowledge of those that came before.

    This is why the modern left movement has embraced sexual minorities, something that had not been done by previous movements, and thus, hated by Ultras.

    • pleasemakesense@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      "One of the major things that sets us apart from fascists and liberals is that we do not have an idealized, cultish, worship of the past and our leaders."

      Granted I'm new to this community, but the interactions I've had so far (like the weird attachment to Russia, which stopped being even even remotely communist many years ago, and is at the moment bordering fascism) kind of don't reflect my recent experience. If this truly is an integral part of communist ideology then many people didn't get the memo.

      • ImOnADiet@lemmygrad.ml
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        It’s because you misunderstand our support for Russia. We don’t think Russia is communist, we just think the US is our greatest enemy in building socialism, so any country resisting our (I’m American) hegemony (and thus a part of the anti-imperialist block) gets our critical support.

        America has constantly expanded nato since the collapse of the ussr, breaking agreements left and right, and tbh it gets really tiring arguing basic facts like that which helped lead to this war (as just one example) so many communists do away with the nuance when arguing with liberals. Why waste all our time writing out the actual nuanced reasons we support russia in this horrible conflict when liberals are just going to dismiss it out of hand because an “evil tankie” wrote it you know?