A man is shot dead in Utah after posting threats online, hours before Joe Biden visits the state.

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1255681

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    • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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      1 year ago

      No? But if it were politically convenient, he would be framed that way and he'd be dead no matter what. Bsically if you think that the government should murder "right-wingers" you are just a fascist.

      • FakeNewsForDogs [he/him]
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        1 year ago

        I don’t know that I would call that fascism. I think leftist governments (which we do not have) killing right wingers (frequently actual fascists) has been an unfortunate but inevitable part of defending revolutions historically. But a right wing government killing right wingers is something else entirely.

        We can more or less expect our right wing government to kill leftists, because it has always done that, continues to, and would be doing a lot more of it now if there were actually more leftists wielding any sort of power. You can about count on one hand the number of right wingers the cops have murdered for political reasons, so I’m not sure the “what if they do it to us” hypothetical is all that illuminating. Because again, they always have been doing it to us.

        You might find it in poor taste, but I can understand somebody not being too broken up about the shoe being on the other foot for once. Also, if this guy was posting about shooting the “Marxist” joe Brandon, I’m pretty sure he’s exactly the type of person who would happily shoot as many actual marxists as possible given the right opportunity. So I guess I’m not all that broken up about it either.

        Though i do wonder if he had dementia. In which case it is in fact somewhat sad.

        • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          A leftwing government killing actual fascists can be fine. A right wing government deploying door-to-door death squads on people some of which happen to include actual fascists is never fine and the only people cheering that shit on are piece of shit cowards or just Liberals, for short.

          • FakeNewsForDogs [he/him]
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            1 year ago

            Well, yes… but what does that have to do with any of this? Is that actually how you would characterize what happened to this guy? Or that the people laughing at the irony of his demise are “liberals cheering on door to door death squads?” That just seems like a deliberate misreading of both the events and the reaction to them.

            • PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Look at the comments in this thread. People think that what happened to him is justified, correct, and expected.

              Top voted comment is police apologia and giving them the benefit of the doubt, which if you've paid attention, should never be granted to the police.

              Second comment is "what did he think would happen for threatening the life of a sitting president." As if posting on facebook should obviously result in the FBI coming to kill you in a predawn no-knock raid.

              Tons more with similar sentiment that obviously the police are the good guys here and it was correct that this guy should have been killed by him.

      • temptest [any]
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        1 year ago

        The police force shouldn't be summarily executing people like this, you're right about that.

        But this post conveys a very strange and counter-productive understanding of what fascism is and what makes someone a fascist. Might as well be saying 'if you think drinking water shouldn't be privatised you are just a stalinist'. If we want to stop fascism, we have to understand what it is, and that isn't it. If anything, a fascist furiously opposes governments murdering "right-wingers"... for pretty obvious reasons.