cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/1338851

Archived version: https://archive.ph/yDjTx
Archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/20230811193345/https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-fire-all-regional-military-recruitment-chiefs-zelenskiy-2023-08-11/

    • duderium [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      You’re not answering questions again because you don’t have any answers. If your Ukrainian friends are making excuses for a government run by Nazis, I have some bad news for you.

        • duderium [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Did I hallucinate the statue which the coup government in Ukraine constructed in Lviv to honor a Nazi collaborator?

            • duderium [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              You know the stele to Banderas in Lviv was constructed in 2007 right?

              Planning for the monument began almost the instant the USA succeeded in its long-term project of annihilating the USSR, causing millions of deaths, way back in 1993. (See page 3.) It’s almost as though the idea of Ukrainian nationalism is fundamentally united to Nazism!

              But even then, let's say what you say is right, does that mean all Ukrainians are Nazis because one government build a monument? Does that mean the average person deserves to be bombed by Russia? Does it make right the broken families I've had the displeasure of interacting with who have lost their children to missiles fired by Russia?

              I never said that all Ukrainians are Nazis. I said that their government is run by Nazis, and that people excusing a Nazi government (like yourself) are likewise Nazis.

              I’m not sure why you care so much about the Ukrainian people though when you don’t give a damn about the millions that have perished (and the tens of millions who have had their lives destroyed) thanks to America’s wars subsequent to 9/11. If you cared about these people, surely you would at least raise an eyebrow when America orders you to support their NATO imperialism without question? Surely you would think that maybe mass murderers shouldn’t be trusted?

              barely any were constructed

              Dude you are such a joke. How many Nazi monuments do you pass during your daily commute? ONE Nazi monument is too much! There shouldn’t be any monuments to Nazism anywhere! Why do liberals have such trouble understanding that Nazism is not only bad, but also suicide! Don’t you remember how Hitler’s life ended? And who drove him to that point?

              It’s interesting you bring up Utkin, who hasn’t been seen in public since 2016. When Chinese tennis players vanish for a day, liberals around the world have tantrums and meltdowns, but when the Russians were embarrassed by this Nazi and possibly even made him disappear, total silence from liberals, especially given the fact that public displays of Nazism are illegal in Russia and encouraged in the USA. Highly interesting. But there are actually Nazis in Russia, they’re just working for the CIA.

                • duderium [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  But why are you allowing statues of genociders in your country then? Seems a bit hypocritical.

                  Europe / Northwest Asia really isn’t sending its best. Death to amerikkka.

                  Who cares when he was last seen, I care that he was in recent history awarded by Putin "the Denazifyer".

                  Why hasn’t he been seen in seven years? If Russia is so proud of him, where did he go?

                  lol, further projection because you know you are being a hypocrite. I haven't said a good thing about a Nazi, but you're intent in even explaining away one awarded by Putin.

                  Your supposed refusal to take sides on the conflict is obviously in support of the status quo. You fool nobody but yourself.

                  "Hey you haven't discussed the other tragedies in the universe, clearly you are soulless" what a tool response. Go deal with the tragedy that's unfolding now, or are you of the opinion "if one get's to commit atrocities, so can I!"

                  Who caused the genocide in Iraq? Is your home country by any chance allied to this nation constructed on genocide and slavery?

                  Ah yes, everything I don't like is the CIA. Russia funding Nazi's in Europe? CIA!

                  Reading sources is apparently asking too much of this extremely intelligent and highly educated person. But if you don’t read, it’s only a matter of time before you find yourself excusing Nazis the way you do. You are really, truly, deeply in over your head, unaware of NATO being founded by “former” Nazis, unaware that the CIA rescued thousands of Nazis after WW2, unaware of the existence of Operation Gladio, unaware that the CIA has admitted to controlling the corporate media you devour (Operation Mockingbird), yet thinking that you can lecture someone who has actually done the reading and knows about these things. Who is the American here exactly?

                  Ironic you keep yelling at me about it because I couldn't stop 9/11, you could've though, you're an American. That's on your conscious.

                  Dude how could I have stopped 9/11? I was 12. I don’t know why you’re running away, I really want to hear this. Also explain please how capitalism is not authoritarian. Then let’s hear about the slavery and genocide your own country is perpetrating in the global south! Which companies in your home country are “investing” in the poorest nations on Earth?