TO THE ADMINS: Read this thread and give me one good reason why federating with toxic, propaganda spreading tankie loons is a good idea.
No one wants those fucks, or the alt right dipshits for that matter, around, and they're spreading blatant lies, yet I see they are here. Does lemm.ee only care about boosting its numbers and is willing to sink to new lows to do it, I wonder? 🤔
For the time being, I have no plans to change our federation policy. I realize this is not what you want to hear, and I'm sorry to disappoint you. It's just not a goal for lemm.ee to curate external instances for now.
There are probably many instances out there that have horrible content (content which would get users banned if they posted it on lemm.ee), but vetting instances and maintaining a defederation list is a big effort, and I believe this effort is much better spent elsewhere.
I've stated this in many other similar threads, but let me also reiterate here: the above should not be taken to mean that lemm.ee is some bastion of free speech absolutism. Users or communities breaking rules on lemm.ee are dealt with. Also, we do reserve the right to defederate any instance which starts causing problems for lemm.ee on a bigger scale (so in cases where banning individual users is not effective).
I realize this is a topic where it's impossible to make everybody happy, because each person has their own view on what should be federated or defederated. At the end of the day, for anything that's not illegal or directly hurting lemm.ee, I believe it's best to leave these decisions up to users - you can make your own choices with which users and communities you block, and I'm certain that soon you'll have the tools built in to Lemmy itself to make the same decision on an instance level as well. And if that doesn't work for you, then there's always the possibility of joining a different instance with a different approach to federation.
But defederating Threads was fine lol.
We need to stop recommending Lemm.ee to newcomers, it's hostile to normal folks.
The approach to federation with Facebook is documented here: https://lemm.ee/post/851217
Why don't you just start your own? You can defederate any instance you want.
I'm on lemm.ee but I've personally blocked communities I've found to be toxic, some of them were on lemmygrad. I see very little tankie shit. Took me like 5 minutes.
People half-joke that coming to Fediverse is easy, all you need to do is select a provider like you do with e-mail.
In case of Lemmy this omits the part where you have to block dozens of communities because they shill for genocidal regimes and you can't block them and their users wholesale using instances. You also have to be on a lookout for trolls that coordinate on those instances and use alts from other instances. If you aren't careful enough your experience might be akin to a conspiracy Facebook group but obviously it's users fault.
Mastodon doesn't have this issue despite using same Activity Pub framework.
Kbin doesn't have it.
It's Lemmy developers and instances that somehow ended up with staggering amount of tankie trolls, to the extent that exceeds even alt-right trolls on Reddit.
Telling people to start their own instances is acknowledging that the issue is so widespread that there are no instances with sane policies.
I had to block so much fucking celebrity, right wing, sports, etc bullshit on Reddit. It’s literally the same issue just different genres of communities. I probably had 100+ subreddits blocked in Apollo.
For the record, I changed my opinion regarding hexbear. While I generally very much appreciate the open federation policy, I think users from that instance overwhelmingly deteriorate the culture in comment sections. Appreciable individual exceptions exist.
I've personally found the hexbear locals to be really inclusive, and pleasant to interact with. I couldn't say I agree with the totality of their political outlooks, but I've not found them particularly unreasonable.
What about the Lemmygrad removed trying to claim Tianamen Square didn't happen? How the hell is that reasonable or okay?
I don't have an opinion, because I really haven't interacted with the Lemmygrad folks. Their instance culture just isn't really my bag, so I don't find much opportunity or common ground to engage.
EDIT: Never mind, this guy is masquerading as a neutral party to defend tankies, just ignore him.
Yeah, they're a little too "dank" for me. So, I just leave distance and keep scrolling.
im sure many in ur instance want us “fucks” around. where is the lie btw? if its so blatant you should be able to back up ur refutation w evidence
I second. Please do the instance a favor and disconnect from them. They are bad faith actors here to do nothing but cause chaos. If I could block them on my own, I would have done it day one.
I want to hear all viewpoints. Don't talk for me. You can block if you're against diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Please don't defederate because others have different views. There's an ocean of difference between right wing fascists advocating for the elimination, enslavement, or oppression of innocent peoples and "tankies" who ultimately want to help people even if they have a different path to get there and some can be dicks about it.
Modern day tankies are indistinguishable from fascists since they shill for fascist shitholes like Russia and China. I don't care about intent, everyone can lie about it. You can't lie about outcomes.
Your argument makes absolutely no sense. "Don't defederate because you disagree with their views" when it comes to left-wing/communist extremists, yet you turn around and complain about places with right-wing/fascist extremist places existing. As others have said, doesn't matter what "side" they're on, violent extremists are cut from the same cloth in that way. Personally, I'm with the admins here, in that I don't mind being federated with either of them so long as they play by the rules here. But then again, I tend to stick to my own interests and set my default view to Subscribed, and don't venture into the All feed much. Even then, I haven't really noticed what people are complaining about very much. If people here are smart enough to know real misinformation when they see it, they can just scroll on and ignore it.
I don’t think a worldwide general-purpose instance should be removing content, users, or instances based on an opinion of the content. That’s censorship by definition.
Removing content based on an opinion is very different than removing users or instances that are manipulating Lemmy votes/accounts or expressing extreme targeted hate towards an individual.
Seems like you need to find a new instance. There's no point in complaining about an abusive partner, they're never gonna change.
Nope, sounds like you need to go sign up for a tankie instance and leave the rest of us decent people alone instead of invading every space and expecting others to be okay with it.
I'm a tankie because I gave you a suggestion. Lmao what? Your instance admin is okay with both tankies and fascists, maybe you need to re-evaluate what your instance admin really believe in.
Apparently yes, because you're here defending them in a meta thread for my instance written specifically to address this issue, an instance you're not even a part of, so what reasonable conclusion can we make except you're here to defend them and keep them around when you know instance natives do not want them?
See, this shit is why the tankies need to leave. They're astroturfing and getting their buddies/alt accounts to stick up for them and this is like the third that has cropped up in the thread so far. How can meaningful engagement happen if they are going to be allowed to just gang up on anyone who complains or disagrees with them? That's not a fun instance and the admins of lemm.ee have no business allowing it.
u can always filter instances using connect or sync as u please: there is no need to ask ur admin for defederation ( it is kinda extreme really )
Oh no, there is, because it's their responsibility as admins and third party apps are not an excuse for them to shirk their responsibility toward their users.
Needing a third party app for that kind of basic functionality defeats the point of Lemmy anyway.
The point of Lemmy is federation. If it doesn't solve your needs, then it's your responsibility to make the decision if it's a healthy ecosystem for you, and if you should keep using it or not.
If the point was federation then defederation wouldn't be an option.
Defederation is a tool available to instances to protect the greater fediverse
No, the point of Lemmy is to replace Reddit, and if we're just going to get enabling admins who likely are tankies or being unduly influenced by tankies, then it is pointless.
I will NOT go away or be silenced. You will NOT demand I just put up with it or do the admins' job for them. It's their job to protect us from bad faith scumbags looking to fulfill a stupid political agenda and brainwash people.
Insinuating anyone who complains about abuse is the problem for complaining, not the abusive behavior is a tactic bad-faith actors always use to silence legitimate dissent. Are you here in bad faith? Because by doing it you sure sound like it
I think you have some personal problems you want others to solve for you. But I don't have time to humor emotional outbursts, so I'll just wish you well and block you.
And this is how we know you're here in bad faith. Go sign up for Lemmygrad if you love them so damn much
Nah fam, I personally want tankies here and I don't care if they spread propaganda, astroturf and gang up on anyone they don't like and generally cause trouble and you complaining makes me feel afraid they'll be defederated again, go away and stop threatening my friends' attempts to control popular instances
-You
Lemmy was literally created by "tankies" and all the oldest instances have "tankie" admins.
I hate these instances too but don't want to change the instance policies. Pretty soon instance blocking should become a thing and you'll be able to block them outright.
You know? We are open to discussions and polite exchanges in Hexbear. If there is good faith (and no racism, hate, ableism, homophobia, etc) there are a lot of bridges to build and learn.
But you came to Hexbear to start shit. And now you are resurrecting a 2 days old post because you are angry about not receiving upvotes in our instance.
"We kicked extremists off our platform, now they're congregating without oversight and becoming more extreme. Who could have seen this coming??"
If you actually think a massacre at Tiananmen Square happened, and actually think it was a worthy event to remember, wouldn't you want to be aware that people are trying to rewrite it?
That's the reason why I made this thread. They need to go, yesterday.
