• NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml
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    I find all the buthurt libs in the comment section quite funny. The US spent decades in the middle east and all it accomplished was wars, misery and death. China managed to restore diplomatic relations between Iran and Saudi Arabia, two sworn enemies for decades! What more evidence do you need that China is for peace and the US for war?

    Face it, the US is a horrible country that has done nothing else other than inflict suffering on anyone that it has ever come across. China is the best hope for humanity, and you better hope they become the de facto world leader. If they colapse by some ungodly reason, then you might as well start searching for ways to leave this planet, because it will become one giant hellhole.

        • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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          11 months ago

          It's like hypnotism. 123 you're under. When someone says, 'China', you lose the power of critical thinking and repeat after me.

          I wonder if we find the magic clap or finger click they'll snap out of it?

          • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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            And these are the same people who think that everyone in China is brainwashed and manipulated by their government.

            Chinese people don't go into a blind frothing-at-the-mouth Pavlovian rage every time the US is mentioned.

        • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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          11 months ago

          This post is in Lemmygrad, a communist instance.

          Do you have any substantive criticisms of the piece, or just a kneejerk reaction informed by years of propaganda?

          • Tillyrblue@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            It’s mostly what the author left out like The Great Leap Forward orchestrated by Mao in the 60s that killed over 45 million people and now Xi’s goal to claim the independent nation of Taiwan through military force, both sound really peaceful. And the fact China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs which can be proven with unbiased news reporting and videos, not propaganda. Also the author’s use of “special military operation” instead of Russia’s Invasion on Ukraine is sad. There’s a lot more but those stuck out.

            Now the US had/has its problems but saying China is leading the world in global peace is in fact, a joke. I didn’t know this was a communist instance and I’ll be sure to keep this shit off my feed.

            • diegeticscream[all]🔻@lemmygrad.ml
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              11 months ago

              It’s mostly what the author left out like The Great Leap Forward orchestrated by Mao in the 60s that killed over 45 million people and now Xi’s goal to claim the independent nation of Taiwan through military force, both sound really peaceful. And the fact China is currently committing genocide against the Uyghurs which can be proven with unbiased news reporting and videos, not propaganda. Also the author’s use of “special military operation” instead of Russia’s Invasion on Ukraine is sad. There’s a lot more but those stuck out.

              You needed to trot out the propaganda from your high school history class because you don't have any criticisms of the actual article?

              Now the US had/has its problems but saying China is leading the world in global peace is in fact, a joke. I didn’t know this was a communist instance and I’ll be sure to keep this shit off my feed.

              The U$ has killed more innocents than any other empire in the history of time. Fuck off, cracker.

                • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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                  11 months ago

                  It always is. And they always seem to think that it is "unbiased" to mention unrelated historical events in every single article about China, but if every article on the US mentioned all their brutal massacres, oppression and war crimes, these people would lose their shit.

            • ☭ 𝗚𝗿𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗘𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗿 ☭@lemmygrad.ml
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              I doubt anyone will be able to convince you not to be uncritically anticommunist, but for anyone else reading this, not even the government on Taiwan considers Taiwan a country, and neither does any other nation. See this comment for more details.

              Saying "the US had/has its problems" is the understatement of the century. It's a genocidal settler colony that has caused hundreds of millions of deaths abroad in the post-WW2 era through direct invasions, coups, crippling debt traps and various other means. Read William Blum's "Killing Hope".

            • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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              I agree, I'm sick of people leaving stuff out of articles like this.

              Like when the Wall Street Journal recently did an article on the US debt, I was outraged. How could they talk about that without also mentioning the brutal slaughter of native Americans, or the decades of suppression of African Americans, not to mention the slavery before that! And they don't even mention the US's brutal war crimes in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan either.

              Such an awful, unbiased news source, whenever they talk about America they never mention every single horrible thing the US ever did!

  • fckreddit@lemmy.ml
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    11 months ago

    I guess we should forget about Tiananmen Square massacre then. Or the Uyghur genocide. Cool.

    • AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml
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      11 months ago

      I assure you, if protestors (see rioters) in any western country burned 2 police or soldiers alive, it wouldn't end with a so-called massacre where as many security forces died as rioters. It'd be a literal bloodbath, it'd be tens of thousands of dead and it'd be far better documented than a picture of bicycles lying around and a not killed man in front of tanks leaving the square the day after. I'm not even saying the 4th June incident isn't well documented, but you assholes don't give two shits when the documentation doesn't suit your preconceptions.

      Also, even if you can't be bothered to investigate the truth of the situation, even the US State dept. dropped the genocide line. If you don't have independent thought you should at least follow direction.

        • m532@lemmygrad.ml
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          11 months ago

          Everyone has preconceptions, yours are based on the illusion of western supremacy.

        • AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml
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          11 months ago

          I can fill pages with what I did and you didn't that gives me confidence you're the one acting with preconceptions based on propoganda, but it'd be quite useless. So I'll issue you a challenge as well, for your edification only. Look for western news articles on whatever crime you think China has committed, preferably something more recent, and look though the linked sources.

          Seriously. While you're taking a dump or whatever, open up an article, and check the links. A lot of them will be to other articles. After a chain of linking you might end up on a non-news page, maybe a UN thing, that references a study or report. You'll probably have to dig up the report yourself. If you do all that you'll find really stupid stuff, like a "study" that surveyed 8 people (yes, eight) to make the estimate that 1-3 million uyghurs are in camps. Or you'll get to BBC saying "report says seeseepee officials want assimilation" and refer to a 50 page report that has one word that might be translated as assimilation and nothing else.

    • 133arc585@lemmy.ml
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      11 months ago

      No

      Thank you for taking the time to make a nuanced argument. I'm particularly happy with how much effort you went to source your statements and then synthesize them into a useful conclusion that I hadn't considered before. It is always nice to see a comment like yours that proves that people do read articles (and not just headlines)! I wish we could all contribute as much as you do.

      • AmarkuntheGatherer@lemmygrad.ml
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        11 months ago

        Implying they could've done anything other than rage aimlessly at fact they couldn't refute yet wouldn't accept. Although one wonders the mindest to make a comment that's just "No."

  • redtea@lemmygrad.ml
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    11 months ago

    Cracking article.

    The text mentions maintaining good relations with Russia and Ukraine. This is something of a surprise to me. Obviously all I've heard from western sources is that China is working with Russia. Now, I've not fallen for the rhetoric that China is 'supporting' the invasion in the same sense that NATO is supporting unending war from the Ukrainian side. That doesn't square with China's foreign policy. It's (i) projection, (ii) intended to smear China's good name (iii) woefully insufficient to achieve number (ii).

    But do you know much about China's relationship with Ukraine? All I've seen is China working hard to bring the two sides to the negotiating table. That in itself is a lot, especially when NATO member states are doing everything they can to keep the war going. But is it more than that?

    • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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      China kept good relations with Ukraine since (except China keeping good relations with anyone they can of course) Ukraine was part important trade route to Europe and a big market for China on its own. This soured in 2021 iirc when Ukraine blocked chinese trade to force huge amounts of truck permits on Poland, so the alternate northen route was developed though Lithuania.

      China have real problems with land exports to Europe since the Stupidity Belt countries are stupid and use Chinese trade as the tool for their shenanigans.