One of the few good things about this. Seeing Leopards getting swatted and Javelins fail to make a difference, all while watching NATO deplete it's stocks, has likely done a lot to hurt NATO's intimidation factor.
Also, I don't think anyone is going to miss that the US fragged Europe's energy supply to make them dependent on US energy, or that the US is gutting the EU's industrial sector. With BRICS gaining steam this was a bad time to play that hand (I hope).
NATO invincibility myth being shattered is really important because now everyone can see that NATO can be fought and it can be defeated. And completely agree that the relations between US and Europe are very likely to sour going forward. Once it starts sinking in that Europe got cynically used by US, there's going to be a backlash.
Once it starts sinking in that Europe got cynically used by US, there's going to be a backlash.
i wouldn't hold my breath. it isn't like this is the first time europe's been fucked over by the US. we'll probably come crawling back like we always do
don’t think anyone is going to miss that the US fragged Europe’s energy supply to make them dependent on US energy
Except for every lemmy lib, it seems. I doubt they are representative of the overall sentiments in Europe and certainly not the world, but I would argue they are representative of the liberal worldview, that seems fairly universal regardless of geography
One of the few good things about this. Seeing Leopards getting swatted and Javelins fail to make a difference, all while watching NATO deplete it's stocks, has likely done a lot to hurt NATO's intimidation factor.
Also, I don't think anyone is going to miss that the US fragged Europe's energy supply to make them dependent on US energy, or that the US is gutting the EU's industrial sector. With BRICS gaining steam this was a bad time to play that hand (I hope).
NATO invincibility myth being shattered is really important because now everyone can see that NATO can be fought and it can be defeated. And completely agree that the relations between US and Europe are very likely to sour going forward. Once it starts sinking in that Europe got cynically used by US, there's going to be a backlash.
i wouldn't hold my breath. it isn't like this is the first time europe's been fucked over by the US. we'll probably come crawling back like we always do
Yeah, they'll just blame Russia while the US continues to empty Europe's pockets.
"No Korea doesn't count because muh human waves."
"No Vietnam doesn't count because trees. Also, muh KDR."
"No Iraq doesn't count because muh insurgency."
"No Afghanistan doesn't count because muh mountains."
"No Ukraine doesn't count because muh..."
Except for every lemmy lib, it seems. I doubt they are representative of the overall sentiments in Europe and certainly not the world, but I would argue they are representative of the liberal worldview, that seems fairly universal regardless of geography