https://futurism.com/the-byte/government-ai-worse-summarizing

The upshot: these AI summaries were so bad that the assessors agreed that using them could require more work down the line, because of the amount of fact-checking they require. If that's the case, then the purported upsides of using the technology — cost-cutting and time-saving — are seriously called into question.

  • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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    14 days ago

    religiously defensive

    I respect you, but I think you have a hard time separating the players (silicon valley, redditor incels, marketers, hype men) from the game (real science that is getting done that is interesting and miles beyond where were were last year).

    I'm not talking about biology or anything else. Just pointing out that if this train keeps moving at it's current pace, we're in for a massive upheaval. I'm not hoping for anything or pushing an agenda. Honestly the best case probably would be if a lot of the detractors are right, and this tech stagnates or plateaus in some way to give society time to adjust a bit. Or to imagine a world where you don't die if you don't have a job. I personally don't have reason to believe it will stagnate, and am preparing for it not to.

      • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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        14 days ago

        Preparing my life to change from unemployment mostly. Paying off debts, figuring out how to best allocate the cash flow I currently have into some kind of durable savings. Making connections in my community and continuing to learn to grow my own food. General materialist / "prepper" fare honestly. Useful for any existential collapse, automation being just one of many scenarios.

        • BodyBySisyphus [he/him]
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          12 days ago

          I've been thinking about this comment a lot over the last couple of days. I do my research in agriculture and food systems so I've had a lot of exposure to the "future is rural" philosophy, but it's mainly in the context of climate change. It seems like anyone talking sense about the trajectory our society is on is quietly buying small plots of land for smallholder agriculture or posting about how farms are probably going to stop supplying food systems and start focusing on meeting their own needs as conditions get less hospitable. It's interesting to consider that there's a convergent response emerging as a result of automation.

          Meanwhile I'm sitting here on my small expensive urban plot that couldn't sustain more than some summer vegetables because I thought I'd get bored doing actual agriculture blob-no-thoughts

          • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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            12 days ago

            I'm not as worried about the food production stuff as some others. It hasn't been profitable to make market gardening or small scale farming a viable career for a long time for most people. Because of that we haven't seen as much focus on local farming as we need. Yet. We all know that's going to start changing rapidly soon.

            A single person can grow loads of potatoes in a pretty small area. My only issue, especially for other leftists is that the skills to do so might take you a few seasons to acquire. So get out there and start growing. If you haven't yet, it's kind of a bad time in North America, but read up on it this winter and try to grow some taters starting next spring. Use containers or whatever you can get your hands on for your context.

            I don't know that we'll start starving anytime soon, but I think the cost of everything will make life unbearable, and when it does, people will suddenly discover their green thumbs like in the old days.

    • UlyssesT [he/him]
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      14 days ago

      I respect you

      but

      butt

      You seem to have a kind of "head in the sand" approach to this

      Maybe educate yourself

      Honestly you sound scared about this stuff.

      You've already "respectfully" insulted me many times over because I'm not convinced that a sufficiently large language model is a 1:1 analogue to a biological brain no matter how much data (and energy, and water) goes in and how much carbon waste comes out of it.

      if this train keeps moving at it's current pace, we're in for a massive upheaval

      That's already happened, and a lot of its unmitigated momentum (and the damage it's already causing) is because of "THIS IS AI" hype marketing, which oversells the tools. The tools are potentially useful and quite powerful, yes, but they are not general artificial intelligence in the way that's still being researched and developed before, during, and since you bought into the "AI" marketing label for LLMs.

      They are already here, they are already screwing over many people in the working class and they're already doing massive environmental damage, and pretenses of personhood for the treat printers (or insulting living beings as "afraid" or whatever Redditisms may come) isn't making them any more 1:1 biological-analogue sapient but it is certainly blurring actual scientific inquiry with "just like the cyberpunkerinos" wish fulfillment desires.

      • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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        14 days ago

        You keep bringing up stuff I didn't even mention. It's super annoying. It's like you're arguing against a character in your head. I don't really wish to continue this conversation.

        e: But hey, actually. I apologize for my tone earlier, it's been a tough week. It's interesting to discuss it with other smart folks nonetheless.

        • UlyssesT [he/him]
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          14 days ago

          You keep bringing up stuff I didn't even mention. It's super annoying.

          How do you think I feel when you keep conjuring up a pile of straw labeled "frightened superstitious Luddite who fears for their immortal soul" and smugposting toward it?

          It's like you're arguing against a character in your head.

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          I don't really wish to continue this conversation.

          Then don't. There's plenty of subreddits such as /r/singularity and /r/futurology that will cheerfully agree with all of your internalized marketing beliefs.

          But hey, actually. I apologize for my tone earlier

          Then why did you use the same fucking tone in this post?

          If you want to stop, just stop. If you want to fling more "respectful" insults my way, I can't stop you.

          • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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            14 days ago

            Okay, sure. Like this?

            Honestly, I could have used nicer words. I just realized maybe I was subconsciously kinda picking on you with my brusque language earlier because you're so abrasive. I need to examine why I did that and try to grow from it, and also maybe just not engage on this topic here, as it's too upsetting for you. lmao

            • UlyssesT [he/him]
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              14 days ago

              Okay, sure. Like this?

              Honestly, I could have used nicer words. I just realized maybe I was subconsciously kinda picking on you with my brusque language earlier because you're so abrasive.

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              Yeah, it's not working. You never stopped doing it and you're trying to blame it on me.

              Believe whatever you want to believe about marketing hype calling large language models "AI" as it has for the last few years, no matter the blurring effect that that sloppy hype branding has already done to actual artificial intelligence research.

              I'm done.

              • DPRK_Chopra [comrade/them]
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                14 days ago

                Desperately hoping they announce a live action ducktales movie or something to take your mind off this interaction and give you something to write thousands of words about.

                • UlyssesT [he/him]
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                  14 days ago

                  Desperately hoping they announce a live action ducktales movie or something to take your mind off this interaction and give you something to write thousands of words about.

                  If you have to play a last word game after I said "I'm done" then spare me the concern trolling with your next reply.