Oh Hi, I did not see you there, I was just celebrating the Day of the Foundation of the Republic for the DPRK. Sense you are here you might as well stick around and join us for this time honored tradition of our group, the weekly discussion thread.
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also follow up the DPRK is the last country, as far as I am aware that is still command socialism, and not market socialism and I commend them for that
Where would you suggest I go to learn about those terms and their differences?
I can give you the breif diffrence. in a command socialist economy everything is run through state planning and there are no market forces that push the economy around, while Market Socialist economies are run as socialist economies with market forces.
That’s mercantilism right? Except with democratic representatives setting prices rather than a monarchy. Doesn’t that get arbitrarily complex as new kinds of things are made? Why do you think it is better than “outsourcing” that work to a market?
Not really no, I think the thing you are missing is the key point of Socialism that seperates it, that is the workers own the means of production, now usualy this is done by the state, however the state under Socialism is run by the workers and for the workers, in essence it is owned by the workers.
The thing with the market is that it is incredibly inefficient, yes with market socialism you can plan it to an extent but it is less able to adapt to the plan, and more importantly it is unable to meet the needs of the workers. If I plan an economy, I can set needed staple goods at a large loss, and make up for that with luxury goods or with exports to Capitalist nations. In a planned economy the workers, through the state has FAR more of the ability to run its own affairs.
We can see this effectivness in capitalism, I cannot remember the company, I want to say it was Sears who decided to make their internal devisions run through a market system and it immediately started to fail, however we see Walmart, Target, Amazon, essentaly every big company internally plans there company, because it is SIGNIFICANTLY more effecent.
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in my humble opinion, an experence, showing liberals prolewiki links does not help the conversation, I have found its use is usualy greater when talking into marxists, specificaly on marxist topics explicitly
I've had the opposite experience outside of this website. Liberals on here are just especially gross.
However, hihi seems to be a perfectly reasonable person. Here's to actually learning.
Ha well you’ve never met me!
(Fact check: This still might not help conversation because I’m definitely just bad at conversation anyway lol, also hearing myself called a liberal just reminds me of conversations back in my hometown or with my grandparents lol)
Edit/Update: I suppose it hasn’t helped with conversation but I’d like to say I am using the wiki to define terms as I read them in State and Revolution, so that I understand the text as it was most likely intended, hopefully avoiding the misunderstanding that plagued me in this comment section lol