They are tropes because imbeciles keep repeating them. Both Russia and China had massive famines happening before the revolution, and these famines were the very reason why revolutions happened. However, life expectancy rapidly improved after revolution both in Russia and China.
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5
Between 1950 and 1980, China experienced the most rapid sustained increase in life expectancy of any population in documented global history. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
So right out of the gate we've already established that you're just regurgitating nonsense here, and spreading misinformation.
Are you going to claim that current China is not a surveillance State, on top of that?
Are you going to claim that Canada is not a surveillance State, on top of that?
With property that can only be owned for 50 years and homeless outside main cities?
The fact that people aren't allowed to hoard property is the very reason why 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes
Seems like a far better situation than we have in Canada to me.
Most Canadians enjoy a standard of living higher than 90% of the rest of the world in the aggregate.
Ah yes, a standard of living built on the genocide of the local population and brutal colonialism around the world. Go read up on what horrors Canada is responsible for in Africa as an example. Yet, despite that, over half the population in Canada is living on subsistence wages https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/more-than-half-of-canadians-200-away-or-less-from-not-being-able-to-pay-all-of-their-bills-1.6473939
In general, the Nordics have it better.
In general, Nordics are colonialist nations exploiting the global south. I guess people like you don't give a shit about the suffering that goes into propping up your life style. Fuck everyone else as long as you got yours.
Colonialism is a silly claim, all human beings, and most civilizations have done this since the beginning of time, just colonizing each other over resources.
That's the dumbest attempt to try and justify the fact that your lifestyle is built on repression and exploitation said without a hint of embarrassment.
My point is that the Nordic countries can afford to have socialized services because they enjoy the protection of USA imperialistic or militaristic hegemony.
They can afford it because US imperialism allows them to plunder the global south today at gunpoint.
My point is that the Nordic countries can afford to have socialized services because they enjoy the protection of USA imperialistic or militaristic hegemony.
LMFAO imagine thinking that's a bad thing.
Cooperatives operating in a capitalistic environment, is very different than one existing under a Marxist or Communistic one.
That's true, it's an inferior model to have cooperatives within the deplorable system of capitalism.
So, no, your answer is as vague as every other communist/marxist/socialist/etc that I have honestly asked, who themselves usually throw all the tropes of some type of communist paradise that has never existed in the form they suggest, while ignoring major aspects of history, the human condition and how said humans actually work and exist because we are all very different people. With different abilities, and qualities and many do not like to play communism or Marxism. I mean, Marxist and more specifically Leninists do know this, otherwise, they would not have invented the underhanded concept of Vanguard parties in order to manipulate the populace in a particular direction.
How to say you've never read a book in your life. Here are a couple of more books you'll never read that describe in detail the things you claim never existed.
What is not rocket science is what has been done historically, and of how badly treated and persecuted people who did not want to LARP with their communist-minded citizens or who were found guilty of wrong-think. These stories can be found throughout most of the 20th century in Russia and Eastern Europe and, behind what we would call the iron curtain and China and elsewhere.
Meanwhile, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, far higher than China and on top of it practices literal slavery https://indi.ca/how-america-still-has-slavery/
I was honestly asking a question, which you could have answered in good faith, rather than coming off defensively as if I had not done my homework. You do not know what I know, so you should perhaps not assume, friend. Keeps conversations better. Would you wager to try again?
You ask a question in bad faith, and you've exposed yourself to be aggressively ignorant on a subject you're attempting to debate. The factually wrong statements you've made very clearly show what you don't know, and the fact that you have absolutely no interest in actually learning or understanding the subject. It's pretty obvious that this discussion isn't going to go anywhere as you'll just keep repeating the same talking points. You're not being very original here. All of you anticommunists use exact same script.
They are tropes because imbeciles keep repeating them. Both Russia and China had massive famines happening before the revolution, and these famines were the very reason why revolutions happened. However, life expectancy rapidly improved after revolution both in Russia and China.
USSR doubled life expectancy in just 20 years. A newborn child in 1926-27 had a life expectancy of 44.4 years, up from 32.3 years thirty years before. In 1958-59 the life expectancy for newborns went up to 68.6 years. the Semashko system of the USSR increased lifespan by 50% in 20 years. By the 1960's, lifespans in the USSR were comparable to those in the USA:
Quality of nutrition improved after the Soviet revolution, and the last time USSR had a famine was in 1940s. CIA data suggests they ate just as much as Americans after WW2 peroid while having better nutrition: https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/document/cia-rdp84b00274r000300150009-5
Between 1950 and 1980, China experienced the most rapid sustained increase in life expectancy of any population in documented global history. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/
So right out of the gate we've already established that you're just regurgitating nonsense here, and spreading misinformation.
Are you going to claim that Canada is not a surveillance State, on top of that?
The fact that people aren't allowed to hoard property is the very reason why 90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes
Seems like a far better situation than we have in Canada to me.
Ah yes, a standard of living built on the genocide of the local population and brutal colonialism around the world. Go read up on what horrors Canada is responsible for in Africa as an example. Yet, despite that, over half the population in Canada is living on subsistence wages https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/more-than-half-of-canadians-200-away-or-less-from-not-being-able-to-pay-all-of-their-bills-1.6473939
In general, Nordics are colonialist nations exploiting the global south. I guess people like you don't give a shit about the suffering that goes into propping up your life style. Fuck everyone else as long as you got yours.
That's the dumbest attempt to try and justify the fact that your lifestyle is built on repression and exploitation said without a hint of embarrassment.
They can afford it because US imperialism allows them to plunder the global south today at gunpoint.
LMFAO imagine thinking that's a bad thing.
That's true, it's an inferior model to have cooperatives within the deplorable system of capitalism.
How to say you've never read a book in your life. Here are a couple of more books you'll never read that describe in detail the things you claim never existed.
Meanwhile, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, far higher than China and on top of it practices literal slavery https://indi.ca/how-america-still-has-slavery/
I was honestly asking a question, which you could have answered in good faith, rather than coming off defensively as if I had not done my homework. You do not know what I know, so you should perhaps not assume, friend. Keeps conversations better. Would you wager to try again?
You ask a question in bad faith, and you've exposed yourself to be aggressively ignorant on a subject you're attempting to debate. The factually wrong statements you've made very clearly show what you don't know, and the fact that you have absolutely no interest in actually learning or understanding the subject. It's pretty obvious that this discussion isn't going to go anywhere as you'll just keep repeating the same talking points. You're not being very original here. All of you anticommunists use exact same script.