• JK1348@lemmygrad.ml
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    1 year ago

    I'll be honest, i do believe we can achieve a middle ground and unity with anarchists

    But THESE anarchists to me are psy ops and/or feds

    • cfgaussian@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      I don't really think there's a "middle ground" to be found, nor would we want one to exist, it would be like the mythical "middle ground" between capitalism and socialism that the socdems are always talking about. And to paraphrase Lenin, unity is a great thing and a fine slogan but what we need is unity between Marxists, not unity with the opponents of Marxism.

      What i believe is that we can manage to get many of the honest anarchists (those who are not wreckers and feds) to actually become communists once they grow up a bit and learn how the world works. In the meantime we can work with them on a case by case basis when we engage in direct action, mutual aid, anti-fascist community defense, etc.

    • Muad'Dibber@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      A wide gulf separates socialism from anarchism, and it is in vain that the agents-provocateurs of the secret police and the news paper lackeys of reactionary governments pretend that this gulf does not exist. The philosophy of the anarchists is bourgeois philosophy turned inside out. Their individualistic theories and their individualistic ideal are the very opposite of socialism. Their views express, not the future of bourgeois society, which is striding with irresistible force towards the socialisation of labour, but the present and even the past of that society, the domination of blind chance over the scattered and isolated small, producer.

      – Vladimir Lenin, Socialism and Anarchism

      • JK1348@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        And you wanna repeat the bad history

        If Kropotkin and Lenin can have a meeting of minds, so can we with the right circumstances

        My comment said exactly how, we don't have to deal with these un-nuanced anarchists like these ones in the photo

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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          1 year ago

          If Kropotkin and Lenin can have a meeting of minds, so can we with the right circumstances

          But do note that nothing constructive came from those meetings, Kropotkin had misguided notion of the revolution and keep his own stance which was plainly unrealistic in the conditions. Lenin blamed his advanced age for that and was most likely correct.

          Also don't forget that Lenin was not the only one having a meeting of minds with Kropotkin, for example this gentelman here is Pavel Milyukov:

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    • SovereignState@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 year ago

      we should call utopian socialists dystopian socialists. a type of 'revolution', if successful, that would probably be a more effective genocide machine than nuclear apocalypse lol.

      right-wing day of rage type shit, night of the rope turner diaries type shit, Jakarta method, Pinochet type shit. fuckin idealism Evola would respect. an anarchist that would side with empire over tankies and threatens to murder communists is a fascist. anarcho-fascist, whatever. deserve much the same respect (face => pavement).

      • Neptium@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 year ago

        Yeah I never really respected anarchists even when I was a baby leftist. Not only do they give off too much LARP vibes, the movement is also non existent in Malaysia. And I really only found about their existence on Twitter (of course I did).

        Like they were spewing some shit about China’s authoritarianism during the Hong Kong protests. … like sure? Very relevant to the conditions that the proletariat faces in Southeast Asia I think. Definitely in contention to what is already the abysmal state of left politics here.

        Also this authoritarianism ”critique” just falls in line with what the ultra-reactionary right says with the whole “China is Communist and is genociding muslims!!!” thing.

        I can’t even imagine the material conditions that would sustain an Anarchist revolution in SEA let alone here. Unless they setup a settler colony on an island I guess lol.