• ICBM@lemmygrad.ml
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    10 hours ago

    Idk. You need like half the voters voting for you to become President and there can only be one President.

    And that's not even accounting for a bourgeois "democracy", in which no challenge to the ruling class interests would ever be tolerated. Loooong history on that to look at. Ask Allende about moderate social revolution through elections. Ask France about strategic electoralism. 80% of the US could vote for Claudia and she would still never take office, one way or the other.

    Revolutions against the bourgeois class are won from the end of a gun and by no other means, otherwise we're submitting to a state monopoly on violence designed to be used legally against us.

    • Red_Scare [he/him]@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 hours ago

      This!

      Also, when I need to discuss "change through burgeois electoralism" with libs I love sharing this interview:

      https://web.archive.org/web/20240930111014/https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/1934/10/h-g-wells-it-seems-me-i-am-more-left-you-mr-stalin

      It's so perfect; it's a reputable Western newspaper so you can share it in almost any setting, just preface it for plausible deniability with something like: "It's a hilarious read, one of the greatest modern liberal intellectuals debates a genocidal maniac throthing at the mouth!"

      Libs love the idea and usually swallow the bait expecting funzies, they looooove them a stuck-up Brit "talking truth to power" and handing out "hitchslaps".

      And then Stalin absolutely demolishes Wells and it really fucks with their world. Wells says FDR's New Deal will bring about socialism in the USA and Stalin's like nah cause the economy is in the hands of capitalists so at most you will get some concessions which capitalists will keep fighting to revert. Stalin's arguments are so clear and concise, and his predictions are so plainly correct, while Wells is just being confidently wrong and terribly smug about it.

      I had some success with it too, including one well-meaning lib literally telling me the next day, "Stalin was right" which are the three words I would not expect a lib utter under any circumstances.