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  • footfaults [none/use name]
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    The only reason you have to make a guess about your taxes is because of the personal tax lobby in America. There are lots of other countries out there that send you a tax form that lists out their calculations and what you owe as a result, and then if you have a problem you obviously speak to the tax authority and work out the issue.

    In fact, that already happens in the US if you have property taxes. The local government tells you what they think the land and improvements are worth, and if you have a problem with it, you contact them and dispute their formula.

    Like, it's not an all or nothing proposition here. The issue is that there is a bunch of companies that make money by keeping the tax process annoying and opaque and they lobby Congress to cut the IRS budget every year so the IRS doesn't have enough people working for them to answer questions and deal with disputes.

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      • footfaults [none/use name]
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        You're posting on the fan site for Citations Needed, so I mean, me making the mistake that we were discussing the United States is at least an understandable mistake, yes?

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            A gross take, to acknowledge that it was an assumption that was not correct, and making a joke as to why it was made?

            I would ask that you please assume that I am doing all of this in good faith and be respectful, or at least more understanding

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    Taxes strike me as one of the more bizarre inefficiencies of capitalism. Instead of having the entity that prints the money, nominally owns all the land, nominally builds all the infrastructure, sets all the regulations, and administers large sections of society handle it's own finances, we've got like five thousand different entities jostling for tax income, while a hundred million individual taxpayers try to skeeve out of their tax responsibilities, and huge parts of the country can't sustain basic infrastructure and public services? Most rational economic system.

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      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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        Also, if you have a pronoun chosen and put "none" in the second slot, only the first slot will be displayed. Just in case you didn't know, but maybe you like being a he/him he/him so sorry for assuming. >////<''

        Holy shit, I didn't even realize that was an option! Damn I really like the comrade part though

        If I could be comrade he/him comrade he/him that would be best

  • silent_water [she/her]
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    wealth taxes are also good, at least until we have the power to expropriate it.

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      • silent_water [she/her]
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        by ensuring that those needs are guaranteed by the state regardless of one's ability to work.

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      • footfaults [none/use name]
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        making it so one person can only own however much housing their family needs. I.e. dictating it by square meters per person inside the family, so they cannot game it through making

        Honestly, we can just say, one house per household. No need to get into finer and finer graduations of "how much is too much"

        Like, the problem is hedge funds and investment companies buying houses to rent, and people who own like 10 houses. There is a lot of people that have far in excess of what is needed, before we would ever need to actually break it down by square foot.

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          • footfaults [none/use name]
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            I know of too many families living in way too much of confined spaces and of too many old people who feel lonely having multiple spare rooms, but won't move to make way for families who need the space

            I honestly don't think those are the people that are the cause of a housing crisis.

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    11 months ago

    The capitalist first takes a slice of my pie, then the landlord, and finally the fuckin state comes in to steal my money to build bombs and NOT fix the goddamn busted roads

    It's enough to turn one into a Khrone Berserker

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  • FuckYourselfEndless [ze/hir]
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    Marx and Engels, from the early 1840s right up until – in Engels’s case – the early 1890s, make a string of prescriptive observations very much of contemporary resonance. They support progressive taxes, both on capital and income, have a strong preference for direct over indirect taxation, and back restrictions on inheritance. The 1880s basis for a land-value tax is challenged, while taxes on financial transactions, though associated with the stock market, whose “immorality and rascality” Engels is happy to denounce, are nonetheless indirect in structure. The management of state finances is critiqued. There is even some tacit endorsement of tax evasion, both personal (by Marx) and corporate (by Engels).

    There is also the rare sight of Marx as a campaigning activist, as he and close associate Wilhelm Woolf highlighted regressive taxes, to contrast the lives of peasants and laborers with those of the 1%-ers of their day, through the pages of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, in 1848-9.

    The tax landscape of Marx and Engels is clearly different to our own – thus in 1849, indirect taxes accounted for 40% of the Prussian Royal Finance Ministry total tax take, and direct taxes, only 29%, whereas today in the UK or Germany, indirect taxes are in the minority, with direct taxes generating around two-thirds of the total take.

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    Property tax, in need of reform in many countries, is one tricky item in the Marxist tax universe. Although then UK Chancellor Philip Hammond argued that Labour’s (tentative) support for a land-value tax (LVT) in 2017 would be “attacking land on Marxist principles,” both Marx and Engels were strongly opposed to LVT, as propounded by Henry George in Progress and Poverty, given that “what Henry George demands, leaves the present mode of social production untouched.” But Marx’s observation on The New English Budget in 1857, “now, if taxes are not to be raised by customs and excise duties, they must be directly derived from property and income,” points to some ambivalence in this area.

    https://marxistsociology.org/2019/08/marx-on-taxation/

    Basic Marxist article on taxes if anyone's interested.

  • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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    11 months ago

    Income taxation abolition would be incredibly popular among right wing morons and idk why the left doesn't capitalize on that but hey Im not a money nerd maybe I'm naive in just thinking the govt doesn't need to penalize individuals to fund itself when it controls the fucking currency.

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      • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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        It would also just like simplify things for people. It's hard to tell how much I'm really improving my situation getting another $2/hr when it's like, oh, now those dollars get taxed more. And my rent is still gonna go up, and the cost of my food, etc. Yay

        I want a $2 pay increase to mean you're actually taking all that home and not require some fucking calculus to figure out what it actually means for you

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    • footfaults [none/use name]
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      With a progressive tax system, the majority of income tax paid in aggregate, is by the very rich, and that's even after they have avoided a lot of it through tax schemes.

      Abolishing income tax would reward the wealthy.

      • GorbinOutOverHere [comrade/them]
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        Okay then no income tax if you make <100k a year idk i don't want to argue about this. I don't want every fucking dollar I negotiate for myself to be worth less and less when it's so fucking hard

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