How many emails will it take to get "Russia!"... three

We don't know yet but fraud is on the table. There was so much Russian interference and free-fall for them on X and then with America PAC, which should have been a GOTV campaign but turned into a paying people off for votes until (?) the justice department warned Musk. But they went undercover or just stopped?

Voters made a statement but until we have a full security overview of this election, we won't know if it's the people's will or the will of foreign adversaries.

There's some sanity in the thread:

I would caution against the message or notion that there was a material impact of foreign efforts until more is known. It robs Trump voters of their agency, ignores their real fears about cost of living and social issues, and wasn't an effective message last time.

There was a great quote I read from post 2016 done by some deep research, I can't remember who wrote it and I'm paraphrasing as I heard it at a lecture in 2017: "Trump voters have a sense they've been waiting in line their entire lives for a slice of the American dream, and they're not where they thought they'd be in life. They feel like they're working hard, playing by the rules, and they're owed something by society. They see progressive policies as giving benefits to other people, which effectively is allowing them to cut in line, and get access to the American dream they don't have. They want those policies to stop, and they're willing to blow up the system to make it happen."

Lots of women in the thread think it all boils down to sexism. "Kamala lost because she's a woman."

CW: SA

spoiler

Bingo — men secretly, and not so secretly, hate women being in ANY kind of leadership position or exercising ANY kind of autonomy. It’s threatening — fires up the lizard brain. And lizard brain is where bad shit happens.

This hate either manifests itself overtly, for example, via the emails I received as a Kamala staffer: “FUCK YOU YOU STUPID WHORE I HOPE YOU GETremovedD WITH KNIVES YOU FUCKING CUM BUCKET BITCH” — I got so many of these, and sent from real email accounts — WORK EMAIL ACCOUNTS — at SCHOOLS!

Or, the more sinister manifestation: “I just don’t know her policies” “Have you googled to find them or gone to the website?” “No.” If Kamala were a man, he would have automatically been granted a minimal respect just for being a dude. A confident woman? Hmm, something’s not right here.

Then there's stuff like this:

Early exit polling data suggests that Joe Biden received a higher share of the women’s vote than both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton did in their respective presidential runs, by at least 3 percentage points.

More broadly, the party’s persistent push to shift rightward has not proven to be a winning strategy. The Democratic base is energized by BOLD, progressive policies, not by chasing endorsements from neocon, right-wing, warhawks like Dick Cheney. This drive to appeal to a “center” often ignores that many independent voters aren’t inherently centrists. They’re driven by issues that demand clear positions, not ideological compromise.

This was a challenging election cycle for Democrats, partly because they didn’t hold a primary to choose the strongest candidate. The Democratic Party needs to return to its principles and embrace a true primary process, so that the most popular candidates emerge, rather than consolidating against enormously popular candidates like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren

Are the libs learning? Welcome to another look inside Lib Land. Anything specific you want me to share?

  • MayoPete [he/him, comrade/them]
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    7 days ago

    Yes, the people who are telling you to your face that the rent is too damn high are all secretly racist and sexist:

    I can’t say that I have any answers either, but I will offer that I work for an organization that has been on the ground in the 4 most competitive states since 2018, and has never left. We ask people every single day their top issue. I assumed when we ramped up this year, we’d hear Gaza. That as we got closer to the election, it would be abortion or the September Court, or LGBTQ+ rights.

    But consistently, across all our states, by a large margin, it was the economy. I think there is a ton of research that can be done into why people think the economy is worse than it is, ways the Dems should restructure their approach to economic issues, **and whether or not people say “the economy” because it’s a lot more palatable than “great replacement theory” or “I’m not letting a woman lead me”. **

    • buckykat [none/use name]
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      7 days ago

      This person is willing to consider that "the economy" means "great replacement theory" but not that it means "the rent and grocery prices are too damn high"