• PopOfAfrica@lemmy.one
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    1 year ago

    I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading. That's lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.

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              • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                1 year ago

                For it to justify Russia invading Ukraine, it must have been something like Ukraine infringing on Russia's sovereignty, right?

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                  • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                    1 year ago

                    Of course I do, I have family in Ukraine. I'd love to know how 2014 infringed on Russia's sovereignty, though, since that's the only way I could see it remotely justifying what Russia is doing today.

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                      • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                        1 year ago

                        2014 is when Russia first invaded Ukraine.

                        I'd love to hear how you'll spin it to mean Russia was in anyway infringed against, and how it means Russia's invasions aren't unilateral.

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                          • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                            1 year ago

                            You said Russia didn't unilaterally invade Ukraine, because of what happened in 2014. I poked fun at how ridiculous that was and now you refuse to explain what you meant. Now you're just projecting and insulting me instead of explaining what you mean and how Russia was threatened in any way that justifies Russia's actions.

                            I know what happened in 2014, again, I have family in Ukraine. Are you going to explain your reasoning or are you just going to get yourself off on how much smarter you are than me, and how great your argument/discussion skills are, without giving anything of substance?

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                              • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                                1 year ago

                                Yeah, like you've been doing all the way through.

                                Quote where I've insulted you.

                                Then tell me. Why is it so hard to just answer a question? What happened in 2014?

                                You're the one making claims, you tell me what you think happened that justifies what Russia's doing, or even provoked them in some way.

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                                  • WldFyre@lemm.ee
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                                    In response to someone saying Russia invaded unilaterally, you referenced what happened in 2014, as if that provoked or justified Russia's current actions. That is your argument, you should explain it. Unless you're just Just Asking Questions.

                                    I'm open to actually discussing it with you if you'll actually explain what you mean and why you feel that way, because I've been following the situation for years and don't know how one would come to that conclusion.

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    • Maoo [none/use name]
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      1 year ago

      I find it completely unreasonable to request a peace talk whilst in a neighboring sovereign nation invading.

      You have a very funny idea about the realities of war. By your logic most could never end. Wars are resolved through diplomacy or full collapse and loss. Your sociopathic ideas about what is "reasonable" devalues the lives and well-being of Ukrainians living through war.

      This is liberal "moral victory" nonsense that no serious person believes.

      That's lunacy to think Ukrainians are being the unreasonable ones here in regards to a peace talk.

      Thank you for conceding my point and implicitly retracting the claim I replied to.

    • edge [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      When in the history of ever did a nation willingly withdraw from its enemy before even holding peace talks?

      Did the US withdraw from Mexico before they started hashing out Guadalupe Hidalgo?

      Did Germany withdraw from Russia before negotiating Brest-Litovsk?

      Even the 'we do not negotiate with terrorists' US negotiated with the Taliban before leaving Afghanistan.

      It’s a deal, and withdrawal is one of the terms. You don’t do it before the deal has been made. That gives up all leverage.

      And Ukraine has already demanded they get absolutely everything, including Crimea. If you want a deal to be everything you want and nothing you don’t, you need an unconditional surrender, not peace talks. Good luck getting Ukrainian tanks into Moscow.