It’s good use for the money, this way it’s not used to buy Russian fossil fuel or help billionaires commit suicide in expensive vanity submarines.
this way it’s not used to buy Russian fossil fuel or help billionaires commit suicide in expensive vanity submarines
This is actually a much better way to use the money,lmao. Also _elenskyy should have just stuck to playing the piano with his knob.
Haha, pianist :submarine:
Sure makes you tankies mad that a comedian has been destroying the legend of the glorious red army and their special operation 😂
what red army? there hasnt been a red army in ~30 years and back when there was, ukrainians were part of it...
do you think russia is communist? do you think we think russia is communist? please wash your brain, it's dirty.
The problem is that Ukraine is given enough not to lose, but not enough to win. At this rate, Ukraine will depend on western hand-outs much longer than if the West fully committed to see Ukraine restore its borders.
The problem is that Ukraine is given enough not to lose, but not enough to win.
The problem is that Ukraine is given what the West can afford to give, they haven't got the industry to fight Russia's war machine in a war of attrition anymore after deindustrialization and the shift to neoliberal policies. Sucks to suck, shouldn't have shipped manufacturing to China to crush their domestic labor movement 😄
Denys Davydov did video on these type of comments about a week ago. He dragged up a lot of newspaper front pages of the invasion of the Nazis in 1945. There was a ton of articles stating just how slow the move was going. An attacking force is always going to have a hard time against a very entrenched enemy. You also have to remember Ukraine does not have a good air force until they get those pilots trained up for the F-16. They are making gains and are knocking on the second defence line in two areas. Any gains Russia has made they loose 2 days later, with the exception of Bakhmut.
That's just not true. Ukraine has not even gotten through the first defense line anywhere along the front. Where are you referring to with them knocking on the second line?
I'm not sure if Robotyne has completely been taken by AFU or not, but that's not part of the "first line of defense". These are outer/forward defense positions. We aren't totally sure what portion of Russian defense units are manning these forward positions however, and the RFAF have tried to build up fortification around the area, but its not the first official line, which is maybe where people get confused.
If you look at this image, I've labelled the two main lines of the Russian defenses from deepstatemap:
https://i.imgur.com/MnksZXt.png
And here I've circled in blue, an example of what portion of the Defense in Depth doctrine, Robotyne and areas where AFU has made gains, these parts of the front are equivalent to:
https://i.imgur.com/nOSvIJU.png
Source for second image US Fort Moore on Russian Maneuver Defense: https://www.moore.army.mil/armor/eARMOR/content/issues/2021/Spring/2Grau_Bartles21.pdf
Russia have left Robotyne and those black lines are defence lines. The deep state map is always a few days behind.
Ukraine has also committed the 82 brigade into that area to push further forward. All of which has been made possible with the newer method of mine detecting.
Precisely the point. The allies had air superiority. Ukraine does not, therefore you cannot expect the same gains.
It was because of the Russian offensive that the Germans were defeated. Anyone with an interest in history knows that. Without Russia there was no beating Germany.
D-day landings were 175k men, the invasion force was a 3m strong multinational force.
I disagree that Ukraine should defer to a peace treaty, while the west supports them. It is western hardware that is making the difference. Ukraine knows this. It states it publicly and often. Russia are not making any gains against Ukraine now the Wagner have left the field. What Wagner committed in Bakhmut was unsustainable, and arguably the limits of where it was going to get to. Since Russia is nothing more than a crumbling obstacle now, why would Ukraine give ground to Russia. The Ruble has collapsed. There is dissent at the top now with daggers out for scapegoats. The damage Prigozhin did is still making its mark. All the war is doing is making Russia more and more indebted to China. China is happy to sell Russia arms to watch it destroy itself.
Russia's best outcome right now would be to be able walk away without incurring reparations cost for the carnage they have reaped. However, I doubt this will be seen as acceptable.
Sacking all of your recruitment officials (as Zelensky did days ago) is always a sign of imminent victory and definitely not a sign of desperate exhaustion. The Russians are (probably) waiting for the Ukrainians to destroy what remains of their armed forces on those impossible fortifications. Once this is done, Russia will retake whatever territory it has lost and snap up any land with a Russian-speaking population (Odessa for instance).
A bit of a stark difference between the belligerents isn't it. One has a corrupt army that cannot fight due to the restrictions that corruption that has caused. The other stamped on corruption when it was revealed. The only win Russia will see from this travesty is if they decide en masse to remove the corrupt blight that infects their country.
The only win Russia will see from this travesty is if they decide en masse to remove the corrupt blight that infects their country.
The Russian Federation and the government of Ukraine are both creations of the USA. Are you saying that we should bring back the USSR? Before you answer with the usual liberal nonsense, please google the terms “yanks to the rescue” and “Siberian intervention.”
What?
It was a 100 years ago. No one had any dealings with Russia for near fifty years between then and now. And outside of NATO Ukraine wishes to be in the EU, which is a competitor to the USA.
You don’t know what you’re talking about and should really sit back and listen when people who have spent years learning about these subjects discuss them.
The next few winters are going to be extremely cold. Get wrapped up and enjoy that discussion.
What invasion of the nazis in 1945 are you talking about?
You mean Allied advances into Germany?
Also can't deny that denys guy is far from an impartial source lol
OFC he is not impartial. The media articles he linked were partisan towards the allies mentioned in them. Even in their own press the allies were referred to as being slow. This was not seen as a criticism. Germany were seen as a formidable force to be reckoned with. The fact they were even moving in the right direction at all was to be commended. There was an understanding that the task was difficult, much like Ukraine removing Russia is now.
Not impartial as in, a Ukrainian propagandist. I purposfully avoid headlines like 'Russia DESTROYS recruits with LANDMINES. How would you trust a guy like that, right?
The reality on the ground is totally different than the situation in 1945, too. German industrial capacity, manpower, air force,... Were pretty much out of the picture. Showing headlines from the times back then only shows you how it was being reported on.
Ukraine is fighting for their existence, russia is fighting for the oligarchs. Ukraine will prevail.
Not that reality matters to nazis like yourself living in fantasy realms, but:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy
awww, looks like someone has a bad day now that Tankies shoot down tankie plans. Such wow.
I don’t have a problem with Prigozhin getting got if that’s what you’re talking about…?
To also be absolutely clear, no Ukraine is not fighting for its existence. Russia's interest in territorial gain extends only to the areas of majority Russian-speaking, ethnically Russian populations.
Such as may be discerned from any one of these maps here
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Yanukovych was the president illegally deposed in a coup in 2014, with the area voting >80% for him matching almost exactly the territory still held by separatists at the start of 2022
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This one's really interesting: Zelensky ran on a platform of peace in the Donbass and reversing the ban on Russian as an official language, which he immediately reneged on after becoming president
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Land currently held by Russia. If they try to take any more, it will most likely be towards Odessa, both to cut off Ukraine from the sea and because it's a firmly Russian-speaking area.
This is for the very simple reason that it's literally not possible, in the modern world, to hold territory in which the native population does not want you to remain. Trying to do so will only result in a very long, very costly anti-insurgency campaign and your eventual defeat. This is exactly what NATO was hoping for when they baited Russia into attacking, that they would try to occupy and hold the whole of Ukraine. Instead, Russia only bit off as much as it could chew and is now allowing the Ukrainians to waste all their soldiers and equipment by attacking into impenetrable fortifications. When that's done, they'll counter-counterattack, grab some more Russian speaking land, and then let the limping Kiev rump state collapse under neoliberal austerity shock doctrine privatization administered by their 'allies' in the West. Ukraine could have avoided all this by upholding either of the two Minsk agreements that were painstakingly worked out by diplomats from both sides, but unfortunately the hand of their masters in Washington was too strong.
You're deluding yourself trying to explain russian millitary failure as some sort of advanced move. Remember the intense fighting at Hostomel airport? The huge column stuck on the road to Kyiv? They totaly thought Ukraine leadership would flee and they'd be able to take the capital.
russian speaking land
what makes you think russian speaking people support Putin's regime? They don't. That's like assuming Zelenskyi supports Putin's regime because he's a native russian speaker.
They support Russia because the Kiev regime has been trying to genocide them for the last nine years! After the coup against the president that the Russian speaking areas voted for the new coup government immediately banned Russian as an official language. They made it illegal to teach it in schools! They attacked and persecuted people across the Russian speaking area, especially the Donbass. For instance in Mariupol, Kiev sent the overtly fascist Azov battalion to attack and break up a march in celebration of the 69th anniversary of the Soviet victory in WW2, using APCs and live ammunition. Now why would they attack on Victory Day, the day of symbolic victory over the Nazis? The officers of the Mariupol police station refused to go out and beat up marchers, so they were quietly murdered. Here are the events depicted even by western empire media, back before they'd had the 'Slava Ukraini' chip installed.
As for the early days of the war, here I go posting it again:
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I assume you don't consider the Marine Corps Gazette to be Russian propaganda.
Wouldn't munitions like the HIMARS with tungsten balls set off these mines they've used?
Why not make smaller versions to shot gun blast a path?
You are stupid for saying this or even having the thought in your head.
A HIMARS blast is a few meters wide at best. Each rocket is about $240,000. There are probably dozens of km of mine fields between the front line and the sea of azov and Russia can deploy mines remotely to fill any gaps that Ukraine makes.
The blast from the ones using the tungsten balls literally covers a massive area.
It uses AoE by a blast up in the air that scatters 180000 balls over 85 meters.
That's about the size of an American football field.
That's a bit more than a few meters, you inbred Tankie.
85 meters That's about the size of an American football field. That's a bit more than a few meters, you inbred Tankie.
American education system really showing its worth here. An american football field is over 100 m if you are working with a margin of error of +/-15% at the start of your calculations your results will be dog shit. Do you know how many meters are in a KM? Do you know how many KM there are between the front line and the sea of azov? 85 is a few meters and in this context it is a drop in a bucket.
You'd need like 300 million dollars worth of missiles provided 1) a Tungsten BB is big enough to set off a Anti-Tank mine 2) they all work correctly and hit their target, 3) none of them get shot down by Anti Air defence, 4) the mines don't get redeployed and 5) USA has stock/makes that many of a specialty missile
Then once that is all done you have a single path that is 85 m wide to drive down and Russia knows exactly where to aim its artillery.
Its a stupid idea. Ukraine has the best minds the west can come up with. they don't need your smooth brain to come up with ways to send more Ukrainians to a sure death. They are doing fine without you coming up with multi million dollar flops like this one. Go back to losing at HOI 4 on easy while using cheats.
Vlad Vexler tried to explain why the some in the western political left, defend russia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=017WGzJ5fHA
For all his faults, there are moments when I still have to appreciate him. Like watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGYmfTaFRw
This babyfaced brit fuckwit is in absolute overdrive trying to steer the framing and questions to the 'correct' viewpoint and he just gets battered aside by a wizened ancient spouting facts. To the point of having to disclaim beforehand that the interview might not meet acceptable thought-cleanliness standards for the civilized mind.
Oh god I actually watched half of this. He says the left (apparently Jeffrey Sachs is left now?) just bought Putin's argument about security concerns, but (big reveal about halfway in, choir music swells), Putin is actually driven by mystical thinking and megalomania.
So Putin is lying when he talks about realpolitik or says anything that makes any sense. But when he speaks of history or the motherland or whatever, then he's telling the truth. He's definitely not just doing a bit of story telling to hit on those emotions. No Sir! That's a window right into his soul. And apparently his personal feelings are enough to move whole armies.
Maybe, just maybe, there are actual material reasons for why stuff happens, and it's not just ideas in the minds of individual "great men".
