• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
    hexagon
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    28 days ago

    Look at a map sometime and learn a bit of history. Finland borders a very difficult forested terrain, and Russia has never been invaded through Finland. However, Russia has been invaded multiple times through Ukraine.

    • harc@szmer.info
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      27 days ago

      Yeah, absolutely no invasions going over these forests whatsoever, apart for say these;

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_War
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_War
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heimosodat

      But I guess it's only an invasion and imperialism if it happens to Russia?

      Oh, and most effective ones against Russia itself? Never bothered with Ukraine;
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Russian_War_(1609%E2%80%931618)

      Even for nazis Ukraine was one of three axis of attack, but they never reached as far as the earlier two, partially due to the massive distances over the steppes.

      So the fuck you talking about? Especially claiming to know any of the history of the region? Kiev Rus? Yeah, Moscow basically did not exist when it was at it's height of power ffs. If you bothered to learn any history every surrounding country, including China, considers them a imperialist dangerous neighbor willing to invade given any chance, and always working toward that. With the small difference China is probably already marking Siberia as it's territory nowdays.

      And obviously you're pretending that neither has the technology changed, and obviously 1000km of steppe is the best possible approach, since aircraft, drones, satellites and tactical missiles of nukes are not an option... This NATO bullshit was clearly checked when Scandinavians joined, Královec by the Baltic is now surrounded by it, borders extended in a tarain much harder to secure, a key new possible lifeline for Russian economy is threatened by Finish and Norwegian proximity, but no, somehow Ukraine would be a threat, and that's why the fighting focuses not on a direction of capital, but on the resource rich areas. How can you be so blind?

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
        hexagon
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        26 days ago

        Maybe should read the wiki links you're spamming? 😂

        What I'm talking about, is that Ukraine is a big wide open steppe through which majority of the invading forces attack. The fact that you can't understand this really is phenomenal.

        And obviously you’re pretending that neither has the technology changed, and obviously 1000km of steppe is the best possible approach, since aircraft, drones, satellites and tactical missiles of nukes are not an option

        And obviously you're ignorant of how actual warfare works given then you think you can win a war without ground invasion. You're like a poster child for the Dunning-Kruger effect.

        • harc@szmer.info
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          26 days ago

          Out of 2 forces that reached Moscow, which one went through Ukraine?

          BTW another pro-peace undertaking of Russia: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/18/russia-vetoes-sudan-ceasefire-resolution-at-un-security-council

          • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
            hexagon
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            26 days ago

            Oh look, the same clown who's cheering for Ukrainians to keep dying in a senseless war pretends to give a fuck about people in Sudan. You ain't fooling anybody.

                • harc@szmer.info
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                  26 days ago

                  You'd do anything not to accept the fact, that your argument is absolute bullshit, wouldn't you?

                  Poles raided Moscow, and set their Czar btw, going straight through current day Belarus. So did the French reach it. So attempted the Germans. The argument of Ukraine being needed for that has no basis neither in history nor modern warfare.

                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                    hexagon
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                    26 days ago

                    It's obvious that you're not interested in honest or rational discussion here and just keep deflecting. I love how you think you're being clever while being utterly transparent.

                    • harc@szmer.info
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                      26 days ago

                      What's "deflecting" about giving you very simple, clear historical evidence your argument is invalid?

                      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                        hexagon
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                        26 days ago

                        your reply had fuck all to do with the comment you replied to

                        Oh look, the same clown who’s cheering for Ukrainians to keep dying in a senseless war pretends to give a fuck about people in Sudan. You ain’t fooling anybody.

                        Faced with the fact that you don't actually give a shit about other people, you simply hop on to a different topic like the clown that you are.

                        • harc@szmer.info
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                          25 days ago

                          You're hillarious, here's a refresher of your own escaping https://lemmy.ml/comment/15056594

                            • harc@szmer.info
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                              25 days ago

                              You claim Finland is somehow impossible to cross, even tho Russia itself invaded over these terrains at least 3 times in the XX century. You claim Ukraine is somehow key to Russian security even tho both times Moscow was reached by European countries it was done over Belarus. I'm coping? That is nearly funny.

                              • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                                hexagon
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                                25 days ago

                                The fact that Russia had as much difficulty in Winter War as they did actually shows why Finland is bad terrain. It's hilarious how you keep doubling down on your idiocy here.

                                • harc@szmer.info
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                                  24 days ago

                                  You picked the one with the worst effect for Russia out of three, yes, but still won by Russia, so what was your point exactly?

                                  And have you ever seen any footage of actual fighting in Ukraine? It's either armored units getting butchered in the open fields, or tree-lines being the only safe means of approach and defensible entrenched positions.

                                  Finland is exactly the type of terrain that enables modern military action. Unless you're expecting NATO to use heavy cavalry, or (the earlier) battle of Kursk style mass tank formations, which is by now even less likely then cavalry. Pick your favorite highway of death between the Iraqi and the north of Kyiv one for a reality check my dear tank aficionado. Not to mention the absolutely spectacular position of Severomorsk - northern fleet command, relative to NATO borders nowadays. Or the fact that Russia is in reality so scared of NATO that there's hardly any equipment or experienced troops left in that region currently as a cherry on top.

                                  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
                                    hexagon
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                                    24 days ago

                                    Yeah, I've seen plenty of footage of fighting in Ukraine, and if you pay attention to Kursk then you'll see how much harder fighting there is because of terrain. You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about, yet you're brimming with confidence. Absolutely incredible stuff.

                                        • harc@szmer.info
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                                          22 days ago

                                          Either yandex has some different maps or every map and satellite footage proves you wrong. Feel free to post anything that would prove that, or just enjoy the comparison of how much less forests is has compared to Ukraine.

                                            • harc@szmer.info
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                                              22 days ago

                                              Actually even took screens to have more fun of showing how idiotic your argument is, but lemmys limit hits in and I cant be bothered to spend the extra 2 minutes compressing it. Did you at least take a look at the maps now?