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Isn't there someone you forgot to ask
you're fighting to the last Ukrainian JackThis poll is bullshit, with numbers pulled out of CIA's asses. I can tell you without batting an eye - over 90% of Ukrainians want a quick, negotiated end to war, and it's been like this for months. If anything, it may indicate a shift in US empire's pivoting strategy, because they gave a cautious "52%" over a realistic percentage.
In a despotic fascist regime that Ukraine is now, people are extremely wary of revealing their true thoughts and feelings. Many people hide from the kidnapping press gangs and don't go out on the streets, not answering their phone and even removing their SIM cards - I bet no one included this kind of demographics.
We now have multiple instances of vloggers just casually pointing out that the people are very tired, only to end up in SBU's HQ where they "talked" some sense into them. After this sort of "explaining" by Ukronazbara, they usually do a 180 and that's that.
I mean given that Ukraine is under martial law and everybody is scared of being dragged off to the front, the fact that the poll still comes up with majority wanting to stop the war immediately is itself pretty telling. I completely agree that the real number must be much higher.
Exactly. The propaganda bubble can never be stronger than reality, and at some point it is bound to crack and burst
I recall watching an interview with Jacques Baud where he pointed out that propaganda in the west serves to create a narrative that's divorced from reality, while propaganda in Russia is used in service of what's actually happening materially. Russian propaganda might spin things in a particular way to present them in a favorable light, but it's not fundamentally at odds with what's actually happening on the ground. Meanwhile, western propaganda aims to create a whole alternate reality that ignores the material world.
Both try to do the same thing, there's no conceptual difference. However, as it so happens that the US/NATO are the global aggressors, Russia does not actually need to spin things that much. The Empire's actions speak for themselves, for the Global South to see, all they need to do is perhaps, MAYBE spice up things a bit here and there. Honestly, a lot of the times Russia can just lay back and only give factual information - it would be more than enough.
That's when it comes to the proxy war in Ukraine. In other things, like LGBTQ, climate change or anti-communism - they are definitely using similar patterns of manufacturing consent among the population.
Of course, the goal of propaganda is to create a narrative for the population in both cases. However, the nature of propaganda is different. I would even go as far as to argue that it stems from respective ideologies that are prevalent in the west and Russia. The idealist mindset places the realm of thought at the forefront, this leads to the notion that you can just will reality into existence. I think therefore I am. Meanwhile, the mindset in Russia has been shaped by materialism over many decades and people see material reality as having primacy.
I agree that it's easier for Russia to simply acknowledge reality because it aligns closer with Russian point of view and objectives. However, the fact that Russia finds itself in this position is itself an outcome of materialist thought.
Did they poll in the east or have even the pollsters given up with the idea that the east is still Ukraine?
or too old to be conscripted, which isn't a big range at this point
