pov when you rather kill foreigners than feed your own (are they still going thru with those anti-homeless public seats? lol.)
Is that 46 on average also for the past 40 years? Do you have a source for this? Not trying to wreck your post, but I'd like to drop this on some non-leftists one day at the appropriate time, and I want to be confident that the information is reliable.
Source: the Pentagon
https://www.salon.com/2022/01/11/the-us-drops-an-average-of-46-bombs-a-day-why-should-the-world-see-us-as-a-force-for-peace/
This isn't crimes against humanity, it's just a special bombing operation. For testing you know. How else do you know your bombs work if not by dropping them on indochina or the middle east? 乁| ･ 〰 ･ |ㄏ
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...says the guy on Lemmy criticizing the U.S. government and not getting thrown in jail for it.
You do understand that free speech that doesn't threaten the government is tolerated everywhere, right? Us having more free speech here is just a function of the US government feeling more secure in its power, you can still find examples of free speech being punished in the US when it has threatened its power.
Then China must feel real threatened. According to this, it's against the law in China to even say you don't agree with the law.
"A citizen, when exercising the right of freedom of the press, shall abide by the Constitution and the law, and shall not oppose the basic principles established by the Constitution or damage the interests of the State, the society or the collective, or the lawful freedom and rights of other citizens."
A million Uyghurs, whose only apparent crime is being Muslim, have been sent to labor camps and undergone forced sterilization.
Tiananmen Square started out as people peacefully protesting government corruption, and ended in the state murdering them.
With respect to free speech, there's not even a comparison there with respect to America. It's not "potato potato".
A million Uyghurs, whose only apparent crime is being Muslim, have been sent to labor camps and undergone forced sterilization.
Do you know the sources of these claims? Because you're repeating stuff that was first spread around by a German Christian nationalist (a euphemism) employed by a cia front group, which had already been debunked, and could be debunked by anyone looking at his methodology who is able to read mandarin.
Why is this myth pushed so hard by western countries which slaughter Muslims by the millions, and are engaged in genocide against a majority Muslim population as we speak?
Why do Muslim delegations visiting uniformly support the way China has treated its minority Muslim populations? Before you say sectarianism, investigate and realize that the delegations were intentionally multi-sectarian.
Tiananmen Square started out as people peacefully protesting government corruption, and ended in the state murdering them.
How violently do you think the US would have responded to US protestors trying to overthrow the government when they start burning and lynching to death unarmed soldiers? You can still find photos online of mutilated PLA soldiers corpses from june 2nd. 300 or so dead, including the soldiers that were killed, seems pretty light. Oh wait, the US military would never show up to a protest not armed to the teeth, silly me.
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guess its fine for you to make claims but not fine for others to make counter claims. the free market of ideas at work.
Just produce some evidence. I'm sure it's easy, it's not like you'd have to resort to something weird like pointing at a fraction of a percent difference between censuses as evidence of a genocide.
Just to be clear, that was sarcasm and is what the allegations of genocide are entirely based upon - dig into any allegations of uygher genocide and you can link back to Adrian Zenz's "study".
To be clear, I never said "genocide". I honestly don't know that that word applies to this situation.
For evidence that what's going on is not good, here's one of the first hits I find on searching the internet. It mentions a tribunal in the UK, Human Rights Watch, and Amnesty International all reaching similar conclusions and I find no mention of Adrian Zenz in the article or on the tribunal's web page nor any mention of population change.
Maybe if you tried even the briefest line of investigation into who any of the groups named are and how they reached their conclusions you wouldn't be embarrassing yourself by naming organisations that are very publically recorded as basing their opinions on his work.
You should be embarrassed at how little effort it took me to find that link.
No, not really. You're just memory holing (or are ignorant of) the numerous clandestine operations done by the FBI and the CIA to destroy leftist movements of all stripes in the 20th century alone both abroad and at home. It's an open secret that I suspect most americans are aware of but don't want to actually deal with outside of TV.
MLK had government agents attempt to blackmail him with letters that even told him to commit suicide and ruin his marriage with his wife, he was also beaten and jailed by state governments for his demonstrations. That's just one example, but a very good one considering MLK's character and what he means nowadays to many liberals.
Currently, students across many universities are being targeted for Pro-Palestinian activism and there are laws in many states prohibiting the boycott of Israel for any reason. IDF soldiers are able to speak freely about their crimes but students in makeshift camps have their bodies beaten with batons, all for protesting against a genocide. Interestingly, China doesn't have that problem, which is because contrary to your settler-colonial education, democracy can be practiced without constant violence and danger when the people's demands and desires are actually being met.
China's human rights record is a world above any European/American "Free nation". This cannot be denied or disproved.
This isn't even mentioning the amount of misinformation and hate speech that is regularly distributed in American news media and online platforms which silences voices of vulnerable groups. Trump didn't come from thin air, he comes from the same arrogance you espouse here.
Speech is silenced and censored in America, you're just fine with it.
Do you think it's okay for us to bomb people because I can say on the internet that we shouldn't bomb people?
China doesn't call themselves "the leader of the free world" or "a shining city on a hill". Sure, freedom of speech is generally better in the US than China (but don't think that nobody ever gets put in jail for criticizing the government.) The fact remains that the US kills a lot of people.
I'm not Chinese. I can't affect Chinese policy at all. I focus on the US because my voice is supposed to matter here, allegedly.
Americans be like "Twitter is my human rights if you take my twitter you take away my humanity"
I love when not beating your child is used as a flex.
Congratulations! You are not THAT kind of asshole.
Ues but thankfully not only two countries exist in the world. Picking between china and the usa is like picking shit with and without corn.
Sure, feel free to add more examples of countries which drop fewer bombs than the US. Here's one to get you started: Democratic People's Republic of Korea.
Would China not drop bombs if they faced no consequences and it benefited them?
No, China has something called a democracy and Chinese people don't want to drop bombs on little kids. Let me make that clear, Chinese people don't want to blow up little kids. It might be hard to wrap your mind around but a majority of people don't want something to happen, so it doesn't happen.
The average American also doesn't like the idea of having children be blown up, but they watch slop TV instead and complain about gas prices and having to wear a mask once in their life. When kids do get blown up the TV tells the american settler that they were evil kids, so they go back to complaining about tv shows and self-flattery.
Sorry, if you legitimately believe that China doesn't drop bombs on people because that's the will of the people then I don't think there's any further productive conversation to be had. I admire your ability to believe, though.
Crackkker projecting again
Seems you haven't seen humanity ever in you life so you can't imagine it existing
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Idk, they probably have had the opportunity sometimes, but they don't have the same military industrial complex as the USA pushing for it at every chance. So the cost benefit analysis is different. Quite often it doesn't benefit "the USA" as much as a few specific people within, and that mechanic doesn't exist in the same way for China.
What do you mean that mechanic doesn't exist in the same way for China? Are you talking like China has achieved a classless utopia situation?
No, the arms manufacturers just don't have the same level of influence over the government and armed forces that they do in America, and the people in the government who decide whether to drop bombs won't personally get rich if they buy more bombs.
That isn't something unique to China btw but basically almost every country except USA and a few others.
Do you think that dynamic wouldn't exist for any country, including China, that had as much world influence as the US does now?
I mean- yeah, the birdcage model has been supplanted by majority public ownership at this point, the same incentives that create the military industrial complex don't exist- if you'd like, i would recommend reading "Economy and Class Structure of German Fascism" which can be a handy reference point for the US military complex.
Saying that China doesn't have a MIC is a non-sequitur. The incentive is power. If acquiring or maintaining power in China requires military expansion, it will happen.
Except imperialism is actually incredibly inefficient in the long term. Western nations become imperialist due to the contradictions created by capitalism.There is a reason why China's foreign policy is centered around mutual advancement.
My point is that the real hard-to-swallow pill for people like OP is that China is not a magical place where everyone just sings kumbaya all day. China is just like any other country comprised of humans that has existed ever, and would do the same things the US is doing now if they could. The only reason this meme is in any way accurate is that China can't realistically drop bombs like that, otherwise they would. Tankies like OP will defend imperialism all day long, as long as the imperialists say "Death To America!". If the US poofed out of existence today, there would be a power vacuum quickly filled by exactly the same sort of people that are dropping those bombs in the meme.
So I guess my question is "What's the point of pretending that China is any different?"
China is just like any other country comprised of humans that has existed ever, and would do the same things the US is doing now if they could.
Yeah, except they're different countries, made up of different people, with a different culture, with a pretty much fundamentally different kind of organizational structure governing them. I don't think "well, they'd probably do it too, if the US were gone" is a super convincing argument in favor of the US dropping bombs on people.
Your kind of reasoning is called "projection". You are actually choking on that pill.
That's just a thing you made up to justify not feeling bad, there is no reason to believe that anyone else would act the same way.
