Nimoy dying before DSC was released is irrelevant. His quote stands on his own. That quote being:
“Canon is only important to certain people because they have to cling to their knowledge of the minutiae. Open your mind! Be a ‘Star Trek’ fan and open your mind and say, ‘Where does Star Trek want to take me now’.” -Leonard Nimoy Reuters Interview
I'm going to stick with Nimoy on this one and just be happy we're getting new Trek. Moreover, your complaint about "DSC changing a LOT of Star Trek lore, the other shows did not" is an outright lie. Both the TOS Movies and TNG had to retcon a bunch of TOS information. Information about how the ship ran, the warp scale, tons of information was changed. The entire look of Klingons was changed between TOS and TNG. Enterprise added a ton of new information, even holographic technology, and 'changed the lore'.
On top of that, you're just outright mistaken. Discovery has changed essentially nothing about Star Trek lore. It only added to things in it's absence. Go ahead. Name 5 things from Discovery that radically changed Star Trek lore. Holograms do not count as they were established in Enterprise and general basic visuals do not count either. The show was classified as a 'Visual Reboot' so any vague changes to overall appearances such as set design or the update to the TOS shuttlecraft design seen in Strange New Worlds don't count.
You want to talk about how it ruined Star Trek lore. Well go ahead. Please list 5 things that Discovery changed the lore of.
Well I never had a provlem with the "new" Klingons, and TNG kinda acknowledged the Klingon change. And the slight changes to visuals also don't matter as much. What I was refering to was the change of the technology advancment, in Voyager its clearly states that there were no Holographic techonology or replicators (which I guess was changed in ENT already). The change that botheted me the most was the war with the Klingons. It seems too big of an event to just add in.
also the storyline with the screaming child was just plain dumb but that has nothing to do with retconing
I don't recall Voyager stating there was no holographic technology. Could you please cite the episode in which this is stated? - Misc
There are no replicators in Enterprise, Discovery, SNW or TOS. They use a technology called a 'food replicator' which uses mass blocks/nutrient blocks instead of generating the food stuff from a molecular level. - Not a change in Canon.
"It seems too big of an event to just add in." No, the event fits perfectly fine. In TOS it is known that the relations with the Klingons are disastrous. They do not elaborate much on it but it wouldn't be a stretch to assume the relations are bad because of a war that happened 10ish years ago. Also, too big to add in? TNG added in the idea of dilithium. That's kind of a big deal. Same with how warp cores work. They upgraded phasers. They added the Borg in. The TOS movies added a litany of new technology and facts about the world. DS9 changed the trill entirely from what they were shown as in their first episode. They also added entire new alien species. All of these are big events or big pieces of technology. None were 'too big to add in'. Your complaint is completely invalid. - Not a change in Canon.
Your opinion on the Su'Kal storyline is irrelevant and, as you pointed out, not a change to Canon in any way. Just throwing a dig at a storyline for absolutely no reason. - Not a change in Canon.
So I request 5 examples of changes to canon and you can't even come up with one. Would you like to try again? Or would you like to admit you just don't like the show and are lying about it changing canon to make the show look bad? Because that's sure as shit what it looks like.
You can not like the show. That's fine. No one is forcing you to like it. But lying about it only makes you look foolish, not the show. So if you can point out the changes in the canon then I will completely concede my argument. But i've been hearing this "DSC breaks canon" thing for years now and I have never found a single piece of information to corroborate that. It's always personal feelings or misunderstanding of what the lore actually says.
To me STD, Picard and SNW aren't cannon
EDIT: In hindisght I should have added ENT to the list but I forgot
Well, you're wrong. But have fun with that? Also its DSC. Unless you're calling TOS STTOS.
Kind of expect more of a Star Trek "fan" than being so close minded. Especially when Leonard Nimoy openly embraced changes to Trek canon.
But like I said. Have fun with that lol
Didn't Leonard Nimoy die 2 years before DSC was released? Also DSC changed a LOT of Star Trek lore, the other shows did not
Nimoy dying before DSC was released is irrelevant. His quote stands on his own. That quote being:
I'm going to stick with Nimoy on this one and just be happy we're getting new Trek. Moreover, your complaint about "DSC changing a LOT of Star Trek lore, the other shows did not" is an outright lie. Both the TOS Movies and TNG had to retcon a bunch of TOS information. Information about how the ship ran, the warp scale, tons of information was changed. The entire look of Klingons was changed between TOS and TNG. Enterprise added a ton of new information, even holographic technology, and 'changed the lore'.
On top of that, you're just outright mistaken. Discovery has changed essentially nothing about Star Trek lore. It only added to things in it's absence. Go ahead. Name 5 things from Discovery that radically changed Star Trek lore. Holograms do not count as they were established in Enterprise and general basic visuals do not count either. The show was classified as a 'Visual Reboot' so any vague changes to overall appearances such as set design or the update to the TOS shuttlecraft design seen in Strange New Worlds don't count.
You want to talk about how it ruined Star Trek lore. Well go ahead. Please list 5 things that Discovery changed the lore of.
Well I never had a provlem with the "new" Klingons, and TNG kinda acknowledged the Klingon change. And the slight changes to visuals also don't matter as much. What I was refering to was the change of the technology advancment, in Voyager its clearly states that there were no Holographic techonology or replicators (which I guess was changed in ENT already). The change that botheted me the most was the war with the Klingons. It seems too big of an event to just add in. also the storyline with the screaming child was just plain dumb but that has nothing to do with retconing
I don't recall Voyager stating there was no holographic technology. Could you please cite the episode in which this is stated? - Misc
There are no replicators in Enterprise, Discovery, SNW or TOS. They use a technology called a 'food replicator' which uses mass blocks/nutrient blocks instead of generating the food stuff from a molecular level. - Not a change in Canon.
"It seems too big of an event to just add in." No, the event fits perfectly fine. In TOS it is known that the relations with the Klingons are disastrous. They do not elaborate much on it but it wouldn't be a stretch to assume the relations are bad because of a war that happened 10ish years ago. Also, too big to add in? TNG added in the idea of dilithium. That's kind of a big deal. Same with how warp cores work. They upgraded phasers. They added the Borg in. The TOS movies added a litany of new technology and facts about the world. DS9 changed the trill entirely from what they were shown as in their first episode. They also added entire new alien species. All of these are big events or big pieces of technology. None were 'too big to add in'. Your complaint is completely invalid. - Not a change in Canon.
Your opinion on the Su'Kal storyline is irrelevant and, as you pointed out, not a change to Canon in any way. Just throwing a dig at a storyline for absolutely no reason. - Not a change in Canon.
So I request 5 examples of changes to canon and you can't even come up with one. Would you like to try again? Or would you like to admit you just don't like the show and are lying about it changing canon to make the show look bad? Because that's sure as shit what it looks like.
You can not like the show. That's fine. No one is forcing you to like it. But lying about it only makes you look foolish, not the show. So if you can point out the changes in the canon then I will completely concede my argument. But i've been hearing this "DSC breaks canon" thing for years now and I have never found a single piece of information to corroborate that. It's always personal feelings or misunderstanding of what the lore actually says.
To me everything after the cage isn't cannon. Checkmate atheists.